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Toforto wrote:
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Ulsarek wrote:
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Toforto wrote:
Nobody wants to do this, people just wanna login,do some fun maps and get the rewards that equal their time investment.
Hard disagree. First of all, who is this "Nobody" you're talking about - or since when is your opinion representative of this playerbase's majority? Hmmm?
Secondly, and most important, you already are rewarded equally to your time invested. Now this might be a wild concept for you to grasp but someone who invests more time, more currency into their builds or effort in general - that also includes picking a good build -, should by default be rewarded more than someone who, let's say, is hard stuck in T16's and quits the league once they bought into challenges.
If you can't or don't want to run T17's for whatever reason, you're not entitled to equal rewards. There's still T16 and below - it is called progression. The genre is built on that exact principle. Not being able to play at the highest level doesn't mean it's unfair to you.
It's quite literally unfair that the 0.000001% that can farm mirrors in t17s get to have loot explosions while the rest of the playerbase is stuck doing less rewarding things. This is why t17s suck lol
The majority of the playerbase hates t17s. It's really that simple. These maps are not a "bridge to ubers", they are harder than uber bosses and have overtuned enemies and overtuned rewards that only a select few builds can even get. That's just bad.
Where are you pulling these numbers and "majorities" from? Source: Trust me bro?
There's nothing unfair about playing better and investing in your maps. Period.
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Posted byUlsarek#7159on Oct 31, 2024, 12:01:08 PM
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It's quite literally unfair that the 0.000001% that can farm mirrors in t17s get to have loot explosions while the rest of the playerbase is stuck doing less rewarding things. This is why t17s suck lol
The majority of the playerbase hates t17s. It's really that simple. These maps are not a "bridge to ubers", they are harder than uber bosses and have overtuned enemies and overtuned rewards that only a select few builds can even get. That's just bad.
This is getting old but for the sake of keeping the thread going:
its more like 50% of players at this point in the league juicing t17s. If youre still playing at this point, you usually have the gear for T17s.
its not unfair, bc all you have to do to be included in the group is have a desire and willingness to do the things to be successful. Its not unfair that you choose to play a weak build or are unwilling to chaos roll maps.
“Freedom is what we do with what is done to us.”
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Posted byPiousqd#0073on Oct 31, 2024, 12:04:10 PM
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Ulsarek wrote:
Where are you pulling these numbers and "majorities" from? Source: Trust me bro?
There's nothing unfair about playing better and investing in your maps. Period.
I don't need sources, its obvious how bad these maps are. It's a fact.
And yes, its unfair because doing t17s takes 0 skill. You just copy paste the meta build of the league and walk around facetanking every mechanic while holding right click, except most average players would have to farm weeks or even months to get the currency to play that build so they can actually have fun. That's simply bad game design. Nobody likes these maps, people only run them because of the broken rewards. If they were less rewarding than t16 nobody would do them, people would just buy the uber boss fragments if they wanna farm those.
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Posted byToforto#2372on Oct 31, 2024, 12:05:28 PM
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It's quite literally unfair that the 0.000001% that can farm mirrors in t17s get to have loot explosions while the rest of the playerbase is stuck doing less rewarding things. This is why t17s suck lol
The majority of the playerbase hates t17s. It's really that simple. These maps are not a "bridge to ubers", they are harder than uber bosses and have overtuned enemies and overtuned rewards that only a select few builds can even get. That's just bad.
they got rid of MF for these t17 maps...GGG didnt like that anyone could do MF even in low maps like yellow burial chambers for example...t17 was such a mistake because the people who actually enjoy these maps will never be satisfied and will always want more and more loot. this is why some people already ask for t18 maps. always looking for the next high
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Posted byLyutsifer665#1671on Oct 31, 2024, 12:10:29 PM
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It's quite literally unfair that the 0.000001% that can farm mirrors in t17s get to have loot explosions while the rest of the playerbase is stuck doing less rewarding things. This is why t17s suck lol
The majority of the playerbase hates t17s. It's really that simple. These maps are not a "bridge to ubers", they are harder than uber bosses and have overtuned enemies and overtuned rewards that only a select few builds can even get. That's just bad.
they got rid of MF for these t17 maps...GGG didnt like that anyone could do MF even in low maps like yellow burial chambers for example...t17 was such a mistake because the people who actually enjoy these maps will never be satisfied and will always want more and more loot. this is why some people already ask for t18 maps. always looking for the next high
Pretty much yeah.
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Posted byToforto#2372on Oct 31, 2024, 12:15:00 PM
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It's quite literally unfair that the 0.000001% that can farm mirrors in t17s get to have loot explosions while the rest of the playerbase is stuck doing less rewarding things. This is why t17s suck lol
The majority of the playerbase hates t17s. It's really that simple. These maps are not a "bridge to ubers", they are harder than uber bosses and have overtuned enemies and overtuned rewards that only a select few builds can even get. That's just bad.
they got rid of MF for these t17 maps...GGG didnt like that anyone could do MF even in low maps like yellow burial chambers for example...t17 was such a mistake because the people who actually enjoy these maps will never be satisfied and will always want more and more loot. this is why some people already ask for t18 maps. always looking for the next high
Pretty much yeah.
if GGG gave them t18 maps then they would just ask for t19 maps 1 league later...at some point people just need to be satisfied with all the loot they are getting now and dont ask for more.
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Posted byLyutsifer665#1671on Oct 31, 2024, 12:48:05 PM
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It's about gameplay, not loot. Just how T17s are completely optional right now.
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Posted byUlsarek#7159on Oct 31, 2024, 12:59:53 PM
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It's about gameplay, not loot. Just how T17s are completely optional right now.
are they? so how would someone in ssf get uber fragments?
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Posted byLyutsifer665#1671on Oct 31, 2024, 1:02:52 PM
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It's about gameplay, not loot. Just how T17s are completely optional right now.
are they? so how would someone in ssf get uber fragments?
The game isn't and never was balanced around ssf. Besides, Uber bosses are optional content.
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Posted byUlsarek#7159on Oct 31, 2024, 1:05:56 PM
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Ulsarek wrote:
It's about gameplay, not loot. Just how T17s are completely optional right now.
are they? so how would someone in ssf get uber fragments?
The game isn't and never was balanced around ssf. Besides, Uber bosses are optional content.
well in that case everything is optional isnt it? you dont need to complete maps and get the bonus..you dont need to do lab and get your points...game works without lab points.
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Posted byLyutsifer665#1671on Oct 31, 2024, 1:07:53 PM
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