Stop allowing streamers to have input on Gauntlet.

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SilentSymphony wrote:

I cant help you perceive what i said differently other than telling you that the particular statement in which you were speaking on was not meant as literally as you have stated it was in whatever context.

Enlighten me then, instead of being repeatedly condescending....what did you ACTUALLY mean?

Don't forget that it was YOU who provided your own context for that line. And now three people have agreed on exactly what it means, when you are saying it doesn't.

Clearly whatever "meaning" you intended didn't come across, and you haven't yet even tried to be more clear.

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mefistozxz wrote:

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SilentSymphony wrote:

I cant help you perceive what i said differently other than telling you that the particular statement in which you were speaking on was not meant as literally as you have stated it was in whatever context.

Enlighten me then, instead of being repeatedly condescending....what did you ACTUALLY mean?

Don't forget that it was YOU who provided your own context for that line. And now three people have agreed on exactly what it means, when you are saying it doesn't.

Clearly whatever "meaning" you intended didn't come across, and you haven't yet even tried to be more clear.

I can not modify your perceptions, I am sorry.

How else to explain to you that "give the game back to the community" was not meant literally in the sense of locking out the streamers?

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SilentSymphony wrote:

I can not modify your perceptions, I am sorry.

lol, ridiculous...from the person who wants us to have more meaningful conversations as a community.

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mefistozxz wrote:

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SilentSymphony wrote:

I can not modify your perceptions, I am sorry.

lol, ridiculous...from the person who wants us to have more meaningful conversations as a community.

I really do want to have those conversations you're speaking of here but can again i can't modify your own perception of what i mean by what i say.

I will say one last time, The statement of "give the game back to the community" was not meant so literally as to wanting to lock out the streamers.

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mefistozxz wrote:

instead of being repeatedly condescending

And what am i supposed to say to this? in regards to meaningful conversation.

I just don't know.

6 pages of 4 people all making their points over and over again. Take some advice and move on.

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mefistozxz wrote:

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SilentSymphony wrote:

I cant help you perceive what i said differently other than telling you that the particular statement in which you were speaking on was not meant as literally as you have stated it was in whatever context.

Enlighten me then, instead of being repeatedly condescending....what did you ACTUALLY mean?

Don't forget that it was YOU who provided your own context for that line. And now three people have agreed on exactly what it means, when you are saying it doesn't.

Clearly whatever "meaning" you intended didn't come across, and you haven't yet even tried to be more clear.

You're arguing against "its bad because it sucks" or "its dumb because its stupid" arguments. Theres no ground to cover as there was nothing said, as you pointed out, in the first place.

Its pretty common with the same few people on the discussion, rather than go into specifics, acknowledge shortcomings/limitations on their end(cause apparently they are experts), or provide specific examples or data;

they speak broad platitudes: ie "T17s are just bad thats a fact" "New Spectres are Bad" "Melee is bad" "game requires glass cannon" etc.. etc.. even with data that goes directly against what they say.

^and they get me every time. On some level I genuinely want to understand their opinions.....but they are absolutely infuriatingly unwilling to give it.

It's as you say: the underlying "point" is so deeply flawed that I think even they realize it and literally CAN'T restate it because subconsciously they know its just wrong. The lack of clarity and inability to re-express their thoughts in another way is tantamount to proof that there isn't a point to begin with.

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Mashgesture wrote:

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mefistozxz wrote:

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SilentSymphony wrote:

I cant help you perceive what i said differently other than telling you that the particular statement in which you were speaking on was not meant as literally as you have stated it was in whatever context.

Enlighten me then, instead of being repeatedly condescending....what did you ACTUALLY mean?

Don't forget that it was YOU who provided your own context for that line. And now three people have agreed on exactly what it means, when you are saying it doesn't.

Clearly whatever "meaning" you intended didn't come across, and you haven't yet even tried to be more clear.

You're arguing against "its bad because it sucks" or "its dumb because its stupid" arguments. Theres no ground to cover as there was nothing said, as you pointed out, in the first place.

Its pretty common with the same few people on the discussion, rather than go into specifics, acknowledge shortcomings/limitations on their end(cause apparently they are experts), or provide specific examples or data;

they speak broad platitudes: ie "T17s are just bad thats a fact" "New Spectres are Bad" "Melee is bad" "game requires glass cannon" etc.. etc.. even with data that goes directly against what they say.

Please enlighten me why are you bringing up other threads?

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mefistozxz wrote:

^and they get me every time. On some level I genuinely want to understand their opinions.....but they are absolutely infuriatingly unwilling to give it.

It's as you say: the underlying "point" is so deeply flawed that I think even they realize it and literally CAN'T restate it because subconsciously they know its just wrong. The lack of clarity and inability to re-express their thoughts in another way is tantamount to proof that there isn't a point to begin with.

Well yea you nailed it on the head. There is no point it was just "bad" or it was just "dumb"


With this thread apparently streamers having input on gauntlet is "bad" and then ... thats it, thats the substance.

No acknowledgement of the event even being a thing THANKS to the streamers, shoutout Ziz thank you, or the companies involved to support these things. Theres a lot of work that goes into these through messaging and colaboration. And suggestions are given in chat as well, so the community is directly involved in the making of these things. Its not just streamers, the streamers organize it, but without the players it would not have any funding, popularity, or support.

And someone else pointed out as well, that streamers are ... now apparently not part of the community now? Lol?

You have some re-tractors here on the forum to the idea of this but join any of the streams for this event and prior and its just nonstop "HOLY SH#@$ this is SO COOL", there is massive engagement and positive reception to this, in the thousands of players.

So there may be a few here that think streamers having input in the gauntlet is "bad" but they are 3-4 people lol. They are up against about several thousand other people that saying the exact opposite.

So, this thread doesnt even understand how events like this get organized. And the people supporting the OP seem to not either, as they think streamers wave a magical wand, hold all the cards and have all the say, and we are just the drones along for the ride.

Its just not the case.

Edit: And as seen above, its lost on them using examples to support their arguments.

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SilentSymphony wrote:

I really do want to have those conversations you're speaking of here but can again i can't modify your own perception of what i mean by what i say.

I will say one last time, The statement of "give the game back to the community" was not meant so literally as to wanting to lock out the streamers.

I am just going to try this one more time...

Posting in a thread titled: Stop allowing streamers to have input on gauntlet.
The prevailing "argument" you inserted into was that somehow the Gauntlet is NOT an event meant for the community.
The only contribution you made prior to the aforementioned "line" was that streamers get paid to do what they do.
You then make the statement "Bring the game back to the community"

The ONLY thing being discussed was the Gauntlet and the fact that it is a streamer-created, streamer-funded, streamer-run event. And you throw out that line.

The context you stepped into, and provided, was that the streamer event such as the Gauntlet is NOT a community event and you want something "different" to occur: ie) bring the game BACK to the community. The direct inference of this statement, taking everything else into account and even NOT taking your words literally, is that the Gauntlet is somehow outside of the community. And if the Gauntlet is outside, then presumably the streamers who created it are ALSO outside the community.

And then you repeatedly say not to take your words literally. What else could they possibly mean given the context of this entire thread, and your own previous posts and insertions? And at what point are you going to CLARIFY what you mean.

I am honestly not trying to be mean here anymore. You are telling me I don't understand what you said. So freaking tell me what you mean!!!