Game is turning into a glass cannon only builds

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Nomancs wrote:

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Echothesis wrote:

Congrats on resorting to straight up lies, Nomancs. D4 Mythic uniques cannot be traded. Non-mythic can, if no crafting was done on them.

Lol, they can. Any party member can trade loot with other party member for fixed amount of time.

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Echothesis wrote:

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Nomancs wrote:

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Echothesis wrote:

Congrats on resorting to straight up lies, Nomancs. D4 Mythic uniques cannot be traded. Non-mythic can, if no crafting was done on them.

Lol, they can. Any party member can trade loot with other party member for fixed amount of time.

D3 had this, not D4:) Can you read 2 words "account bound" on item since the moment of mythic drop

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Echothesis wrote:

playing non-meta skill means you cannot fit both defense and offense, and have to choose. And have poor experience playing it.

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Mashgesture wrote:

They work just like another blizzard game, WoW. Where if you get loot in a group, bound items can be traded for a set time.

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Echothesis wrote:

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Nomancs wrote:

There is also Grim Dawn, Chronicon, Torchlight - should I continue? Tell me, are these other (balanced) arpg's in the same room with us right now? Maybe you are new to the genre but achieving great power in a single character to trivialize bosses has always been a thing. PoE is no exception.

I hope Echo will clarify this for us, as I'm really interested.

Ugh, fine. Apologies to everyone else for this nitpicking derailing BS, I'll try to keep it short:

D4:

- Has uberbosses that drop uber unqiues - one of the strongest items in game. - wrong, you can get most uber uniques anywhere, or more useful 3GA uniques
- Those uberbosses can be oneshotted with very OP builds.
- However, uber uniques cannot be traded, as are all crafted items. - partially wrong (as I was wrong on direct trade in party), they can be sold in form of carries.
- Moreover, assembling those OP builds already requires 2-3 uber uniques, so you first need to defeat boss "normally" 20+ times to get them. - wrong, some builds don't even use them and are broken OP. 3GA legendaries can be traded tho
- Defeating uberboss "normally" is nowhere nearly as hard as poe boss battles can be, any casual player can do it. -because that is game for casuals

In the end, oneshotting ubers in D4 is just a gimmick without practical purpose, it doesn't cheese or hinder other players. neither in PoE, or do you expect to be competitive in uber farm economy segment?

Poe:

- Has uberbosses that drop one of the strongest unqiues in the game.
- Those uberbosses can be oneshotted with very OP builds.
- Those OP builds can be assembled without leaving hideout, on trade alone.
- uberboss loot can be traded. Because of that, uberboss lootrates were made very low, designed to be much more than 20 runs to get desired loot.
- casual players have no chance to defeat an uberboss with homebrewed builds, so they have to get their loot on trade, paying exorbitant (by casual standards) prices. wrong, your 3k life build withoud defenses can't, plenty "homebrewed" builds can. Fix your build.
- Even if casual players could beat uberboss once in a while, they won't get rewards. Only mad dps (including glass cannon) builds can extract the rewards.wrong, as loot is in no way connected with dps.

In the end, uberbosses are spammed by minority of players who sells their loot to majority. While a whole other lot of players never interact with bosses. -sounds like d4

Can you see the difference? Nitpicking on "here is the videos, they can oneshot!" means absolutely nothing for the topic.

Thats like entirely wrong as you can buy 3GA uniques, because some builds don't even use uber uniques (plenty of them you can craft btw, not sure if all - and you can buy carries anyway). They even carry if you have an entrance pass, because only one player need it for all too get loot. It does matter tho on greater rifts timers. It seems you haven't played D4 much?

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Echothesis wrote:

Other (balanced) arpg has no need of it, because it has no such wild build disparity and no rampant boss oneshotting.

Anyway, that's now what we discussed. You was asked you about "(balanced)" arpg games where there is no "rampant boss oneshotting". Or did you had only D4 as an example where oneshotting bosses doesn't exist (because it does)?

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Gulch wrote:

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Echothesis wrote:

playing non-meta skill means you cannot fit both defense and offense, and have to choose. And have poor experience playing it.

Uhhh.
Not anywhere near true. Maybe for other games but definitely not for POE.

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newbutnot wrote:

Legit question here what is the best glass cannon build anyways thinking about rerolling something in ssf in like a week. I'm guessing some type of lightning strike deadeye?