Game is turning into a glass cannon only builds

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Echothesis wrote:

Sure, bosses who don't have unique rewards unobtainable elsewhere, can be defeated very quickly in endgame. Play nitpicking with someone else.

Nono mate, you've said that there are (balanced) arpg where thers no rampant boss oneshotting, so please name them. Maybe I will find something interesting to play.

+1 I need to hear about those games. Always open to new experiences!

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Nono mate, you've said that there are (balanced) arpg where thers no rampant boss oneshotting, so please name them. Maybe I will find something interesting to play.

In case you haven't noticed, your interest is not why I was writing here in the first place. Almost all my design-related posts for 3 years were advocating interests of players without few spare years to dedicate exclusively to studying poe, and how this game only entertain top 5% of players, and intentionally frustrate the rest.

You and a few other "elite" playes here are not interested in discussing design. Not interested in anything but yourself in fact, and reduce discussions to "git gud, I see no problems, which means there are no problems". I can easily admit I am wrong during discussion, but you aren't even speaking about the topic, only about "who here can oneshot T17 bosses again?":)

So I can officially inform that you won't ever find any game more interesting than poe. For example, abovementioned D4 had oversights that allowed to nearly oneshot uberbosses, but they are getting fixed, this is never considered normal.

Come on Echo, don't sit on this info. What are those balanced ARPGs that have no rampant boss one-shotting?

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Echothesis wrote:

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Nomancs wrote:

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Echothesis wrote:

Since it needs to be said, above solution suggestion is specific to poe. Other (balanced) arpg has no need of it, because it has no such wild build disparity and no rampant boss oneshotting.

So... in what "(balanced)" arpg you can't get oneshoted without defenses? Because even in most casual friendly D4 you can.

Lol I was talking about players oneshotting bosses, not vice versa:) Try to imagine alternate interpretation at least, before launching into most pleasant road.

I don't know why you started about elitism, what I like and dislike, I just asked in what "(balanced)" arpgs bosses can't be oneshoted.

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Echothesis wrote:

For example, abovementioned D4 had oversights that allowed to nearly oneshot uberbosses, but they are getting fixed, this is never considered normal.

Game is out for a year and you can still oneshot bosses, so kinda long to consider it "oversight that is getting fixed".

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ArtCrusade wrote:

Come on Echo, don't sit on this info. What are those balanced ARPGs that have no rampant boss one-shotting?

Yea, maybe there will be something interesting on that list.

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Echothesis wrote:

Since it needs to be said, above solution suggestion is specific to poe. Other (balanced) arpg has no need of it, because it has no such wild build disparity and no rampant boss oneshotting.

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1 Shot Baal Hell - Diablo 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivQu69X_h9A
Hell Diablo Oneshot - Diablo 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM97PViQyE4
Misc Oneshots - Diablo 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRB07De08P4
Oneshots - Wolcen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g1WunOwVhM
Abberoth OneShot - Last Epoch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD25LMgjbqo
Uber Lilith Oneshot - Diablo 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAcL4Chr6W8
World Boss Oneshot - Diablo 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_gWLfNtjCU

There is also Grim Dawn, Chronicon, Torchlight - should I continue? Tell me, are these other (balanced) arpg's in the same room with us right now? Maybe you are new to the genre but achieving great power in a single character to trivialize bosses has always been a thing. PoE is no exception.

The sad part is they are not new to the genre.

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Ulsarek wrote:

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Echothesis wrote:

Since it needs to be said, above solution suggestion is specific to poe. Other (balanced) arpg has no need of it, because it has no such wild build disparity and no rampant boss oneshotting.

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1 Shot Baal Hell - Diablo 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivQu69X_h9A
Hell Diablo Oneshot - Diablo 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM97PViQyE4
Misc Oneshots - Diablo 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRB07De08P4
Oneshots - Wolcen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g1WunOwVhM
Abberoth OneShot - Last Epoch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD25LMgjbqo
Uber Lilith Oneshot - Diablo 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAcL4Chr6W8
World Boss Oneshot - Diablo 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_gWLfNtjCU

There is also Grim Dawn, Chronicon, Torchlight - should I continue? Tell me, are these other (balanced) arpg's in the same room with us right now? Maybe you are new to the genre but achieving great power in a single character to trivialize bosses has always been a thing. PoE is no exception.

It should also be said that one-shotting bosses isn't a bad thing at all. ARPGs are the ultimate power fantasy, and Echo doesn't tire to point out that PoE isn't Dark Souls or Elden Ring (games that are considered very difficult and challenging). So why should it be bad to be able to build a character so strong it can achieve such a feat?

One of (many) things that turned me off from continuing to play Last Epoch was when I learned that they had a system that gives bosses a dynamic amount of damage reduction based on how quickly they have been taking damage.

They also noticed that this is a bad system and changed it to instead giving bosses breakpoints where bosses gain an amount of Ward based on their maximum health, which means you can still break through that extra barrier if you build a character powerful enough.

It's almost like they understand that you shouldn't punish players for building powerful characters, right?

Glad you listed Chronicon by the way. Fun game!

More worried about the game shuttling you to a few different skills moreso than def vs offense.

Not saying others arent viable with the right gear level, just that there is a lot of things pushing you towards the meta.