Game is turning into a glass cannon only builds

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BaumisMagicalWorld wrote:

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Bosscannon wrote:

Its a help forum where people come to ask for help? Whats wrong with my "attitude" if I did exactly that? How do you even discern my attitude from two sentence post that is simply concise?

Let me rephrase. If you make a thread with a question in the title and a single sentence that is basically a politely phrased demand, then it comes across as "give me" attitude, in particular because the low effort that was put into the thread itself reflects how much effort you put into finding the information on your own first. Which does not entice people to reply because nobody wants to put in all the effort for free in times where Google exist.

I ask in the help forum for what I need.
Every ask is a politely phrased demand. I accept that if someone doesnt like how I ask (didn't prostrate myself properly apparently) they can choose to not answer the ask.
However after how Orbaal phrased his comment about me I was under impression people were eager to help if I went to that part of the forum as that was the right place for such but it seems at least from your reaction that what people are actually eager for is for people to textgrovel before them before they will find the magnanimity of sharing what they know.
Maybe I will rather stay clueless if thats how things are done here.
TLDR: I will be sincerely thankful if you give me what I ask for but I will not grovel when I ask.

Also, don't assume I am not collecting information on my own by googling. Thats just you assuming the worst about me because, I dunno, something stung you today?

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BaumisMagicalWorld wrote:

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Bosscannon wrote:

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3568763
Replies: 0

So much for that.

You're welcome. But maybe next time put in a little more effort. A title and 1 line of text and a "please hand me stuff" attitude is not gonna entice people to reply.

Yea I'm with Bosscannon on this one. You help them in their own post, which was well put together by the way, very concise, and they respond in here with:


"replies: 0

So much for that."


Like how do you not see the warmth, understanding, thankfulness, and patience this comment provides to people that help them?

I did a single sentence ask and never expected essays in replies. Expected single sentence pointers to what should I google next. Instead I got lesson on etiquette, which I didn't ask for. Being simply to the point does not mean disrespect. You just interpret it in worst possible way and I don't really care why you do this.

You guys seem to enjoy painting me in worst colors possible and then being outraged at it. That makes being around you in fact unpleasant so I will put in my best effort at avoiding talking to you in the future.

I expect the same magnitude of thankfulness as I also posted something in there as well.

Suggesting max res jewels and sapphire flasks in a topic about measures against ele penetration is among the dumbest things i've seen in a while.

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Baharoth15 wrote:

Suggesting max res jewels and sapphire flasks in a topic about measures against ele penetration is among the dumbest things i've seen in a while.

Hm really okay lets test that theory of yours.

Uber hit on the attacks I even listed (Uexarch balls).... with no flask, and no max res jewels



Uber hit on the attacks I even listed (Uexarch balls).... with flask and max res jewels



So Baharoth heres what you need to do before comming up with a wity response. Make sure you actually know what you are talking about in the first place yea? And then also pay attention to what was said in the responses.

Thanks bestie!

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Baharoth15 wrote:

Suggesting max res jewels and sapphire flasks in a topic about measures against ele penetration is among the dumbest things i've seen in a while.

Why would more max res not be beneficial?
40% pen vs 90% max res results in 50% resistance vs hit I assume.
40% pen vs 75% max res results in 35% resistance vs hit I assume.
Is difference between 50% and 35% effective resistance meaningless somehow? Or do I misunderstand something fundamental?

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Bosscannon wrote:

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Baharoth15 wrote:

Suggesting max res jewels and sapphire flasks in a topic about measures against ele penetration is among the dumbest things i've seen in a while.

Why would more max res not be beneficial?
40% pen vs 90% max res results in 50% resistance vs hit I assume.
40% pen vs 75% max res results in 35% resistance vs hit I assume.
Is difference between 50% and 35% effective resistance meaningless somehow? Or do I misunderstand something fundamental?

No its a huge difference youll have to excuse Baharoths opinion on the matter, they are having a severe mistep in judgement at the moment.

Many dont know about the crafts on the jewels as it just came out this league so that might be whats going on with them, cant be sure.

But yes increasing your max res helps with Uber penetration. And it is substantial as seen what I posted above. 10 uber exarch balls versus 5

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Bosscannon wrote:

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Baharoth15 wrote:

Suggesting max res jewels and sapphire flasks in a topic about measures against ele penetration is among the dumbest things i've seen in a while.

Why would more max res not be beneficial?
40% pen vs 90% max res results in 50% resistance vs hit I assume.
40% pen vs 75% max res results in 35% resistance vs hit I assume.
Is difference between 50% and 35% effective resistance meaningless somehow? Or do I misunderstand something fundamental?

Your understanding is correct, the problem is efficiency.

13k damage with 40 ele pen against 75 res results in 13000*0,65=8450 damage.
Upgrading to 90% res results in 6500 damage. So yes, an improvement. But think about how much investment you need to achieve this. One flask slot and 10+ passive points at the very least.

Meanwhile 3 passive points for a jewel slot with glorious vanity socketed in and a nearby keystone for DF means you take: 4225 cold damage (6500*0,65) and 1300 chaos damage (6500*0,2) = 5525 damage in total for a fraction of the effort.

If you have max res already or intent to use it anyway then it's one thing but as a countermeasure against pen specifically it's the worst option you can take. [Removed by Support]

Both ways make sense and its up to the player and their individual build to decide which way makes most sense vs opportunity cost.

For example I am thinking about doing the divine flesh instead of inner conviction thing at the cost of DPS if I ever decide to fight ubers since timeless jewel limit is one. But divine flesh kinda makes all energy shield useless so there is another tradeoff to ehp to think about, entirely possible that effectively lost energy shield loses enough ehp to be comparable to those passive skill points you would spend on max res jewels.

Uber bosses as a concept makes me feel like making a capable build is trying to put together a myriad of moving parts that actually prefer moving instead of locking into a functioning build. Subjectively I believe the "must have defenses checklist and also x dps" is too much when ubers and their gimmicks or uberinflated stats are of concern and it is having a major constraining effect on build diversity as I suspect people are much less likely to start out the league with something they know won't scale to be uber capable and then never get around to making a second build.