Game is turning into a glass cannon only builds

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BaumisMagicalWorld wrote:

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AdRonZh3Ro wrote:

It's ironic because first you said your build requires 100% crit and is mechanically unplayable with 50%. Then you waste your time making an EO tree with 40% crit, that by your own words, turns it unplayable, and then is still trying to use that as argument to say "i'm" the one that should refrain from commenting on something i don't understand and should show restraint?

Am i getting this right?

Are you actually... ? Like, I can't even.

Move your eyes a few inches downwards, see a link to my build, go visit the forum thread, read in mechanics why it needs 100% crit, then understand what I said earlier about having to grab Ignite nodes with Elemental Overload.

But thank you for clearly demonstrating to me to not engage with you again the future. Good day.

So EO is not viable in your build, then why are you using it as an example? EO is useful for builds having a hard time reaching a high crit chance, the build you use as an example is not one of them.

The irony of course is that the very top end of top end thats possible this league is going non-crit:

https://pobb.in/6N83nXBfS3k1

This is easily 10, probably many, many more mirrors, in league, specifically choosing to go with RT+PT.

Not only does MS of the Zenith go non-crit, so do LS Trickster and Armour Stackers. Almost like there are real trade-offs between crit and non-crit.

So to reiterate what you did wrong:
1)Ignored the point of my original post, which in fact was about the expensiveness of glass builds and their restriction.
2)Ignores my point that crit builds build entirely around crit and should scale better than non-crit.
3)Puts EO in a 83% crit rate build.
4)Links a dead build, thinking that's supposed to be used as a valid argument.
5)Can't handle valid criticism.
6)Straw man, cherry picking and simplifying arguments to make them easier to refute.
7)Citing arguments and then making remarks that have literally zero to do with them.
8)Not understanding what the arguments are referring to.

I have played vastly more than you and with virtually every build there is. There are strengths, weakness and trade offs for every builds. Trying to paint a simple picture of something that isn't simple by any stretch will only make it look foolish. High damage crit is gated behind heavy investment. That's a fact and should never be overlooked. 100mill dps is achievable in non-crit builds with the same level of investment.

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stnikolauswagne wrote:

Not only does MS of the Zenith go non-crit, so do LS Trickster and Armour Stackers. Almost like there are real trade-offs between crit and non-crit.

Exactly. Had to put 3 more mirrors to turn my armor stacker into crit. Was it worth it? Kinda. Is it expensive. Obviously. Crit does incur a heavy investment if you also invest in defenses, and only a simpleton would think otherwise.

I can only commend AdRon for even trying to engage in an actual discussion like that. The issue though is that Baumi is working back from a conclusion while you are trying to make reasonable arguments.

It's sadly a wasted effort, because you are engaging in good faith while Baumi... doesn't. That much is clear to any reasonable person (still) following this conversation. It's pointless.

A 10 divine build is top 0.1% because most players decide they have enjoyed the game and it is time to move on before that point.

Converting physical damage into elemental just doesn't sound Strong though.

I suggest getting Fortification. Duration probably since you can't get stacks on tough bosses without high damage. 20% is huge.

Get a Guardian skill . . . 1 big hit you can use a Guard. Immortal Call probably.

Get 5 Endurance charges.

Determination with Petrified Blood & Infused Flesh anoint are a last ditch effort. You recover health from a Juggernaut Ascendancy based on damage mitigated so it will also help. This seems like a cheap and easy win though, which I am not a fan of.

If you forsake Strength then get Glorious Vanity's Divine Flesh Keystone ability to turn Elemental into Chaos damage & get higher Max chaos resistance. Juggernaut Ascendancy blocking Chaos based on Armor will turn the game into cheese.

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Dylan_Schreiner wrote:

A 10 divine build is top 0.1% because most players decide they have enjoyed the game and it is time to move on before that point.

Can you please rephrase because I am having trouble understanding that.

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Orbaal wrote:

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Bosscannon wrote:

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stnikolauswagne wrote:

Actual advice and explanations

Great stuff man. This forum needs more of exactly this.

Curious: When you say you not great at making POB from scratch does this mean you never make them even for yourself?

Not trying to be a dick, however thats precisely that Gameplay&Help is for.

There are plenty people actively trying to help out and improve builds.
Thats one of my biggest gripe with some players in GD or Feedback forums. Why dont they head over to G&H and ask for help? Describe the issue, post a PoB and a budget.

Costs nothing and yields more often than not great results.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3568763
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So much for that.

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Bosscannon wrote:

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3568763
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So much for that.

I pretty much answered that topic on page 19 of this one so...

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Baharoth15 wrote:

Assuming that "just don't get hit" isn't working for you then yeah you'll have to build with them in mind.

Against ushaper Resistances alone, even if it's 90% are more or less worthless with this much pen. You need to either use damage taken as another element (divine flesh, tempered by war, incandescent heart, dawnbreaker, font of thunder), ele damage reduction (endurance charges/transcendence) or SS on top. The others don't have this much pen but they have either high damage output (elder, eater) or other gimmicks like ailments and CB from Sirus that you need to account for.

There are quite a few options available but you'll have to use some of them.

If you are looking for an answer for your build specifically, i'd go with divine flesh. That + dawnbreaker means 70% of cold damage is taken as another element (both Shaper and Maven have cold damage). Against fire pen it would be 50%. DF should be fairly easy to incorporate without big changes. IF you can squeeze in a purity of fire you could use a watchers eye with the corresponding mod to convert up to 20% of cold and lightning to fire for example.

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BaumisMagicalWorld wrote:

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Bosscannon wrote:

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3568763
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So much for that.

You're welcome. But maybe next time put in a little more effort. A title and 1 line of text and a "please hand me stuff" attitude is not gonna entice people to reply.

Thanks.

Its a help forum where people come to ask for help? Whats wrong with my "attitude" if I did exactly that? How do you even discern my attitude from two sentence post that is simply concise?

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Baharoth15 wrote:

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Bosscannon wrote:

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3568763
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So much for that.

I pretty much answered that topic on page 19 of this one so...

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Baharoth15 wrote:

Assuming that "just don't get hit" isn't working for you then yeah you'll have to build with them in mind.

Against ushaper Resistances alone, even if it's 90% are more or less worthless with this much pen. You need to either use damage taken as another element (divine flesh, tempered by war, incandescent heart, dawnbreaker, font of thunder), ele damage reduction (endurance charges/transcendence) or SS on top. The others don't have this much pen but they have either high damage output (elder, eater) or other gimmicks like ailments and CB from Sirus that you need to account for.

There are quite a few options available but you'll have to use some of them.

If you are looking for an answer for your build specifically, i'd go with divine flesh. That + dawnbreaker means 70% of cold damage is taken as another element (both Shaper and Maven have cold damage). Against fire pen it would be 50%. DF should be fairly easy to incorporate without big changes. IF you can squeeze in a purity of fire you could use a watchers eye with the corresponding mod to convert up to 20% of cold and lightning to fire for example.

you did and i have read and internalized the information carefully
now i am compiling a list of defensive go to tricks for the endgame for when I make my next pob