Instant buyouts confirmed in PoE 2
" You may disagree that cornering market would exist, but it will not change the fact that even in real life it is present (scalpers), like gig tickets, PS5 had huge episode with it. It exist in other games with AH, so negating it possible existence in PoE 2 would be an odd bet. People are calling BS anything and everything, even next league that isn't released yet based on few sec teaser. Trade Manifesto can be "ancient" but it is valid as long as GGG want it to be - you may ofc disagree with it or claim to know what is better for PoE than GGG does. Biggest compliments for my crafted items - "bs, they must have been RMT'ed"
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" Way to miss the point... Cornering the market actually dont exist on real life FOR STUFF THAT HAVE CONTANT INFLUX OF NEW GOODS. Scalpers work because tickets are things that exists on a limited number. For goods that people produce and keep introducing on the market there is a number of people that tried in many ways control the price. They never work. You may control mirrors because they pop very rarely, you cant control regular currency because those replace themselves too fast to establish monopoly You dont got that fact, i dont even know what to say | |
" You mean scalpers didn't exist on PS5 market? Because claiming that scalpers don't exists it a very "bold" (to say the least) statement. And if you do, that would explain why you think you know better than GGG what would be best for PoE economy. But scalpers they did impact ps5 market, it was quite the huge problem despite, as you wrote, were "produced". It is quite basic economy, goods don't have to exist in limited amount. What you're aiming at is a time frame you want to control it and a budged. You may say it can't exist on produced items, but it does. Try EVE Online, or just turn on news. Or remember PS5. Or graphic cards around COVID time. Thats just basics of economy. Biggest compliments for my crafted items - "bs, they must have been RMT'ed" I'm disabled, I have rare case of semperduravera, so I can write things that may look rude, but it is because of disability - I'm forced to tell truth using words you may not like. Last edited by Nomancs on Jul 4, 2024, 9:11:18 PM
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" You are the one claiming you know better than GGG, they are establishing buyout and implicitly stepping down from the manifesto... No i dont own a PS5, i dont know that you are talking about, nor i know of any graphic card monopoly on COVID, they were high at the time because the entire computing industry was, with people being locked on their homes and stuff, but nope, cant say i ever saw small number of people or companies cornering the market, the price was high, but it was because spike on demand and companies wanted to capitalize on it As for EVE, yeah, theres manipulation, alright. But you know another thing? The market works just fine, the economy is healthy and the fictional world is not burning. The manipulation only affects the big guilds, but the average player is unnaffected, if anything, its a sign PoE2 is gonna be alright And very bold of you to talk about "economy"... might talk a bit more about that "manipulation" on graphic cards during COVID? Talking about market manipulation and not mass buy from people having to work at home, THATS a VERY bold statment | |
" Where? Because so far it is perfectly valid. " Yes, and this is one of the reasons why scalpers exist in this particular situation. Cornering market exist even in real life, despite goods are still produced. I'm not sure why you tried to deny it in previous posts. " Yes, most likely, because they design PoE2 around it. " https://www.pcmag.com/news/inside-the-pandemics-biggest-cash-cow-scalper-bot-networks-hawking-hot https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-60709207 https://www.zdnet.com/article/scalper-bots-are-now-targeting-graphics-card-vendors/ bold links for a bold statement, enjoy reading Biggest compliments for my crafted items - "bs, they must have been RMT'ed" I'm disabled, I have rare case of semperduravera, so I can write things that may look rude, but it is because of disability - I'm forced to tell truth using words you may not like. Last edited by Nomancs on Jul 4, 2024, 9:41:23 PM
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ooooh things are getting heaty over here.
i m in favour of more modern approaches and find it weird that so many people are still stuck in the past, forcing friction here and there. ggg themselves are removing friction here and there. in any case GGG has made their decision for poe2. arguing about it is moot at this point especially since the game isnt even out. [Removed by Support]
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" Yes, as they made the decision about PoE2 as an expansion to PoE1... ;) And indeed, game is not out so instant trade may or may not work. Who knows how much gold it will require, how many items could be listed/purchased instantly. But I assume GGG will balance it out. Or remove it if it will cause problems like in d3. Biggest compliments for my crafted items - "bs, they must have been RMT'ed"
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" This very topic... " I read all the links and theres something very cute... They all talk about stuff when theres NO influx of goods on the market Your links mention specifically the shortage of components to the production of SP5s and one showed pictures of retailers being out of stock because of it What happened in your stories is that there was exactly the situation i mentioned: No influx of stuff. Yeah, when the product is in limited number, then it IS possible to control the market The link is rather clear: "Many sought-after items are resold, including concert tickets, limited-edition trainers and games consoles", read: Stuff that is in limited supply, and yeah, game console is there because the link talk about "short supply because of a global shortage of semiconductor chips" adn specify the PS5 Again... WAY TO MISS THE POINT | |
" So how much gold will instant purchase require? how much will you get per map? How much droprate will be affected? Oh, right... there might be frictions. So yeah... Trade Manifesto is not explicitly about AH, it is about balance and friction. You may want to read it, it explain a lot. " You just agree with me all the time, and just adding context - yes, market can be cornered, even if goods are produced. Even in real life. With various situations, while goods are still produced with as huge market as real life. PoE market is a lot smaller, thus easier to control. Do you know how many veiled orbs are listed? It takes pennies to grab em all. It already happened, so why try to decline the truth that many goods on the market can be cornered? Biggest compliments for my crafted items - "bs, they must have been RMT'ed"
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" undecember (p2w) actually uses a system like this where you need to use spend gems in order to trade. f2p players can earn gems whenever they trade but gems are taxed so the whales keep the spice flowing. its an interesting way to limit trade (and force players to buy gems). on top of that theres some restrictions placed on trading so that super mirror tier crafted goods cant be traded and can only be crafted (shocking for a p2w game). something like d4 where you cant trade crafted items. also another interesting thing is they used d3's AH system where have limited slots to sell stuff and they all last for a certain amount of time before needing to be relisted. if we talk about d3, i can tell you exactly why their AH failed. simply put, the game was too hard and people couldnt farm. EVERYTHING GOOD was a lottery win. there was no in between with everything else being trash. players were FORCED to trade. also the way D3 was designed, the meta was BUILT IN via item sets. thus BIS were quickly established and everyone wanted the same items. the supply and demand was FUCKED as players knew that a gazillion players alll wanted a single item so they could charge a high amount for that item. price manipulation snowballed very quickly. players who played meta farmed more gold. got better loot, sold their loot for millions in AH and have more gold. they quickly recognized how valuable items were and bought up all the valuable items and relist them at crazy prices. this all happens because decent good was just too hard to find. i remember playing d3, i spent MINUTES killing a shitty level 63 mob (player cap was 60). i was rewarded with a level 53 item. fuck me. d3 solved this by introducing smart loot. which evolved into whatever we have in d4. i play d4, i rarely trade but when i do, i really wish for instant buy outs. i have to message a dude using diablo.trade website, he has to see my message, then communicate then we need to setup a meet up time as we're from different regions. after all that we then meetup in game for the trade. so much hassle. it doesnt help that some players dont even bother checking their inbox to see trade messages or even delist their items. [Removed by Support]
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