Instant buyouts confirmed in PoE 2

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Nomancs wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

The large difference being that D4 trade isn't even remotely essential, or even a core game component.

PoE and GGG on the other hand, have directly balanced their entire drop system and estimated character progression on multiplayer trade. (Even in SSF lol)

It is essential if you want to minmax for some reason, or to bypass bad rng tempering on 3GA. Trade in PoE for campaign or early maps is also not essential - difference ofc is endgame where d4 don't really have one.

Sure there is some random D4 sweat that wants to pay 20 Billion for a 4GA Razorplate, so they can push extreme pits. The vast majority of players find all they need to on their own, happily.

There is absolutely no need for trade to exist at all in practicality. Hell the uber uniques are not even tradeable. It's there so if you find some gear your buddy can use, you can get it to them.

Imagine for a moment, a game where you actually loot what you need from enemy kills, and don't have to pay someone random player for your upgrades.

So yeah, you don't have to trade in PoE either, but you are literally punished from a game mechanic standpoint. It's desgined that way intentionally (for good or bad I suppose if you love the PoE Stonks mini game)

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Sure there is some random D4 sweat that wants to pay 20 Billion for a 4GA Razorplate, so they can push extreme pits. The vast majority of players find all they need to on their own, happily.

There is absolutely no need for trade to exist at all in practicality. Hell the uber uniques are not even tradeable. It's there so if you find some gear your buddy can use, you can get it to them.

Imagine for a moment, a game where you actually loot what you need from enemy kills, and don't have to pay someone random player for your upgrades.

So yeah, you don't have to trade in PoE either, but you are literally punished from a game mechanic standpoint. It's desgined that way intentionally (for good or bad I suppose if you love the PoE Stonks mini game)

Except you have to trade in d4. Not only for gear, but also to earn billions of gold, not only for bricked craft because of bad tempering but also for rerolling master crafting.

D4 force you to trade because of that - alternative is dozens of hours of gold farm without trade.

So I'd safely assume d4 devs are very much aware how friction with trade is important.

EDIT: you mentioned uber uniques cannot be trade, except you can trade for the lottery tickets for them (keys for ubers). So if you want one, you either hire carry, buy keys, or pray ssf. So trade it is, not to mention that hiring 3 man to carry (to give away their loot) multiplies your chances.

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Nomancs wrote:

Except you have to trade in d4

No. Absolutely not.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

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Nomancs wrote:

Except you have to trade in d4

No. Absolutely not.

You do, it is as much mandatory for high end as in PoE, or you can just grind gold for days. Most casuals in d4 will be fine lurking in low level delve equivalent (greater rifts low level), but more, rerolling master crafting, bricked tempering crafts? please, trade is mandatory. Gold is flowing in billions there. You even can't reroll master crafting much without millions of gold, thats where you need trade.

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Nomancs wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

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Nomancs wrote:

Except you have to trade in d4

No. Absolutely not.

You do, it is as much mandatory for high end as in PoE, or you can just grind gold for days. Most casuals in d4 will be fine lurking in low level delve equivalent (greater rifts low level), but more, rerolling master crafting, bricked tempering crafts? please, trade is mandatory. Gold is flowing in billions there. You even can't reroll master crafting much without millions of gold, thats where you need trade.

Nah we are just playing different games then if you need billions of gold to min/max your gear (to do what exactly I'm not sure?)

I have every class leveled to 100 with very good gear. Bash Barb / Summon Necro does all content EASILY, and high pits. I've never traded a single time (outside my friend group), or needed more than a few hundred million gold.

But you are a 40/40 challenge elite player it seems. Which is fine, you just have to realize you are in the EXTREME minority of players. GGG used to put out challenge completion percentages and the 40/40 folks were less than .5%

Side note it seems like you are playing quite a bit of D4. Good to hear.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

I have every class leveled to 100 with very good gear.

Thats less than finishing a campaign in PoE. Level 1 to 100 takes 3-4h? This is like saying "I played the game for a bit".

Now, try in d4 chain farming uber bosses without trade... Oh riiight... ;)

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Side note it seems like you are playing quite a bit of D4. Good to hear.

A week. Tried it for free on game pass. Hit billions of gold and 100+ greater rift/pit. Nothing to do yet sadly, but other hand, I'm very happy I didn't spend any cash on the game.

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Nomancs wrote:

Most casuals in d4 will be fine lurking in low level delve equivalent (greater rifts low level)

Most casuals also praise the "so hard" content they never get to play or consider Uber lilith as sick and initiative arpg content while it's just a pretty uninspired lost ark rip off.

No surprise that they even struggle with such a easy and watered down game that comes without any difficulty cause they just end up being gated by a pretty terrible trading system and they don't have the time to grind the gold themselves to gear up properly for mentioned content.

But what do you expect from a product made by people who've no clue about the genre at all, and only the ability to trick people into the old "blizzard good" mindset. Going to be fun once they introduce Mythic Supreme Celestial Magnificent Glorious Ancient Elevated Grand Demonic Primal Pristine Venerated Colossal fucking Legendaries into the bad game as an even bigger gold sink for the rich trading players. :)

Lol this is just sad.

Talking down to people who are not elite 40/40 players is...well it reeks of arrogance and egotism, but you do you I guess.

Also I was farming uber bosses with no trouble whatsoever. With maxing out IW rep, I had the ubers uniques I needed to make the builds I wanted. The issue you don't seem to get is that less than 100 hours is what most players want per season. I get that you consume that in one week, but the rest of us have other priorities in life.

I'm not a Dad gamer, but fuck me I can't be playing video games full time, nor would I even want to. It's entertainment, a diversion, and in the case of D4, something with a low entry bar that's just plain fun with friends in a universe we remember fondly as teens.

It's truly irrelevant if you don't get the same depth and enjoyment than you would get out of PoE. It isn't trying to be that and never was. It will be wildly successful without no-life stamp approval and that's fine for me.

See you in the next season and expansion.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

The issue you don't seem to get is that less than 100 hours is what most players want per season. I get that you consume that in one week, but the rest of us have other priorities in life.

Funny enough 40/40 also doesn't really take you that long either and it can be done in 150-200h across the 4 month league duration even while working in a 8h+ fulltime job which gets to down to a casual playtime of 2h or less a day if you do it over the entire league lol.
But you wouldn't know as someone who doesn't even play the game anymore and only comes to the forum in attempt to "sell" Diablo 4 to others as a great product, while most of all people know by now that it's just another bad Blizzard bait product. :)

But hey people already quit D4 after 100h or even before each season cause they don't have anything todo thanks to the lacking content Bliz delivered upon release/ each new season, and not because they are so hurt and short on gaming time.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Also I was farming uber bosses with no trouble whatsoever. With maxing out IW rep, I had the ubers uniques I needed to make the builds I wanted.

Ya, or create multiple characters, get mats for uber uniques, and delete them, then repeat... But that smells like an exploit.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

The issue you don't seem to get is that less than 100 hours is what most players want per season. I get that you consume that in one week, but the rest of us have other priorities in life.

You added one zero too much, less than 10 hours, as 3-4 is hitting max level, rest is doing some helltides and greater rifts as there is nothing else to do. it is literally d3 all over again. Ofc this is main point - blizzard probably is fully aware, that if they would add AH, that would make the game shorter by probably 80% excluding leveling time maybe. This is why they handled whole trade to 3rd party, that benefits from it.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Spoiler

I'm not a Dad gamer, but fuck me I can't be playing video games full time, nor would I even want to. It's entertainment, a diversion, and in the case of D4, something with a low entry bar that's just plain fun with friends in a universe we remember fondly as teens.

It's truly irrelevant if you don't get the same depth and enjoyment than you would get out of PoE. It isn't trying to be that and never was. It will be wildly successful without no-life stamp approval and that's fine for me.

I don't know why you bring this up, as this is not relevant in any way to 3rd party trade in d4.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

See you in the next season and expansion.

Doubt it, my game pass expired and only thing I'm interested in playing more in GP is "Against the Storm". D4 in current state is not worth more than 5€ for me. I'm not sure if Microsoft will add d4 expansion to game pass, seems it isn't common thing there.