The Self Found League

I don't think anyone will agree with this but I would like to do a self found league that also has no magic find.

I don't like the trading and I don't like the magic find. It would be great to just focus on crafting the stuff I need.

Edit: Since there is NO trading even in parties I am assuming that this league has instanced loot right?

I appreciate how you might not like MF. I'm not sure why you don't like it. I know what I don't like about it, and wrote up an idea for handling that here:

Itemization Enhancement

Anyway, to address the bigger picture, I view the Self Found League as being inclusive as possible for all other playstyles other than Self Found itself. So, acknowledging that FFA is a valid playstyle, it's included, and acknolwedging that partying is a valid playstyle, it's included, and so on. Anything else is more a more specialized sub league, and I don't think we should be proposing such specializations right now when we don't have the basic thing first.

So no: no instanced loot. However, you'll see in the manifesto that the devs intend to introduce new loot features, so when those happen, you'd be able to pick the playstyle you want when you make or join games.

As far as team loot goes, most players don't really realize that deciding to team is a trade off in and of itself. What you actually are trading is safety (and possibly, but not always killspeed) for loot. To wit: you actually get less loot in parties. It's the basic math of what happens when you increased the loot by L, but divide it by P, and L is always smaller than P.

--C

GGG we are waiting for your opinion

They already stated at one time (Chris or Mark, I think) that they like the idea of a League like this. I don't think they are likely to respond to you with the specifics or likely implementation date, or even whether or not this is a paid league or not yet. So: patience.

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Courageous wrote:

They already stated at one time (Chris or Mark, I think) that they like the idea of a League like this.

that is the first time i heard/read this .. good news..

i forgot to mention: add increased gemdrop (uniques and gems are build enablers and without trade these should be more available)

I would play this if it were cutthroat for sure

I would pay for this.

this idea is great, but since i play solo i would never play it with current map drop rates

it would be masohistic to farm docks whole day for 2-3 lvl 66 maps that wouldnt drop maps

only reason i play atm is because i can buy maps from people that play in party

also i wouldnt allow picking up items from people that play with you in party, every item of value, orbs, rares, gems, uniques, should be name tagged

playing in party by itself is already 5X more rewarding then playing solo, picking up other people items should increase gap between solo and group players

EVERYTHING should be self found :)

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BoondockSaint wrote:

this idea is great, but since i play solo i would never play it with current map drop rates

it would be masohistic to farm docks whole day for 2-3 lvl 66 maps that wouldnt drop maps

only reason i play atm is because i can buy maps from people that play in party

also i wouldnt allow picking up items from people that play with you in party, every item of value, orbs, rares, gems, uniques, should be name tagged

playing in party by itself is already 5X more rewarding then playing solo, picking up other people items should increase gap between solo and group players

EVERYTHING should be self found :)

I think you're exaggerating just a tad on the solo map drop rates. I play solo in HC currently, and I am at least able to have a few 66 maps all the time. Getting past level 69 maps would definitely prove troublesome, though.

As for everything being self-found - I agree. If we allow FFA loot in a league such as this, it would be going against the core idea of the league. You should be joining a party for quest progression and/or exp - not for the loot.

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EndOfEnds wrote:

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BoondockSaint wrote:

this idea is great, but since i play solo i would never play it with current map drop rates

it would be masohistic to farm docks whole day for 2-3 lvl 66 maps that wouldnt drop maps

only reason i play atm is because i can buy maps from people that play in party

also i wouldnt allow picking up items from people that play with you in party, every item of value, orbs, rares, gems, uniques, should be name tagged

playing in party by itself is already 5X more rewarding then playing solo, picking up other people items should increase gap between solo and group players

EVERYTHING should be self found :)

I think you're exaggerating just a tad on the solo map drop rates. I play solo in HC currently, and I am at least able to have a few 66 maps all the time. Getting past level 69 maps would definitely prove troublesome, though.

As for everything being self-found - I agree. If we allow FFA loot in a league such as this, it would be going against the core idea of the league. You should be joining a party for quest progression and/or exp - not for the loot.

What you didnt take into consideration is that in this league, you wont be able to buy upgrades, so you wont be able to alch/chaos maps when playing solo for a long long time, so in the end you will spend more time in docks then in maps prolly even on lvl 80

Or you will have to go in group in order to get maps