What option I have to obtain watchstone from Maven since I never defeat Maven?

TL;DR of this thread: “My Burial Chambers map is only T12 instead of T16, and I can’t add 8 packs of monsters that deal fire damage to my map. This is unfair.”
I feel like people make a bigger deal out of this than it actually is.
The top 1% of "no life"....errr....the best, yes that's it, players need to be kept playing. Since they steam roll on all content they need something to look forward to.

99% of us will never see that level of content, therefore voidstones are irrelevant.
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DarthSki44 wrote:
I think this just highlights the disconnect GGG has with the average player. If you look at the percentages of players that have killed Maven (myself included), its ridiculously low. Even with paid carries.

I fully understand aspirational content, and the need for it, but it shouldn't be gatekeeping content for average players. It should be optional, with rewards tied to the challenge. Since when is unlocking the Atlas to tier 16 aspirational?

This isn't a case of FOMO. Its literally a poor design decision that benefits no one. The 1%'ers were always going to do whatever GGG tossed up for endgame, but this decision means that the vast vast majority of players wont get their atlas to full t16 (which was very easy with watchstone, you never even needed to kill Sirus)

Maybe they are trying to incentivize Maven (with awakened gems too), but I dont understand why given a new endgame and 4 bosses to interact with.

It's a head-scratcher for me.


Before you had to kill several conqueres + sirus twice to unlock all T16.
You tellin me this was easier and more players did it than just killing Maven ONCE?

You dont need voidstones, they are optional, if someone is not willing to commit to the game then they dont deserve progress.
If you want free Handouts play Diablo.
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DarthSki44 wrote:
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Moridin79 wrote:


Also, if you can't beat maven or Uber elder do you really need to have the entire atlas at T16? Lol


Comparing Maven and UE to T16 maps is... not well thought out.


Nothing is gated. You have access to T16 before killing any of the aspirational bosses. Plus you haven't seen the atlas tree yet. You're just trying to "ggg bad" with little context.
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skjutengris wrote:
adapt and conquer.
Learn skills, get better and overcome the challenge.
Beating the bosses is basically learn their mechanics.

also grinding enough to even get to try out the boss to try and learn. that's more of an issue if u ask me xd
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Moridin79 wrote:
Nothing is gated.


Yes, Sextants are. Which is a fairly huge change. And a strange one. Why do you need Sextants (which is a progression-tool) when you've beaten everything the game has to offer - and "done" with progression?
Sometimes, just sometimes, you should really consider adapting to the world, instead of demanding that the world adapts to you.
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KalHirol wrote:


Before you had to kill several conqueres + sirus twice to unlock all T16.
You tellin me this was easier and more players did it than just killing Maven ONCE?

You dont need voidstones, they are optional, if someone is not willing to commit to the game then they dont deserve progress.
If you want free Handouts play Diablo.


That's not true at all

You never had to kill Sirus even once to get all the stones. You could portal out, or maybe try, and if you failed you still progessed the quest line.

All you ever had to do was spawn and kill conquerors. You never had to kill any aspirational bosses to unlock anything in the Atlas (minus endgame passives)

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Last edited by DarthSki44#6905 on Feb 1, 2022, 12:07:51 PM
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Moridin79 wrote:
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DarthSki44 wrote:
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Moridin79 wrote:


Also, if you can't beat maven or Uber elder do you really need to have the entire atlas at T16? Lol


Comparing Maven and UE to T16 maps is... not well thought out.


Nothing is gated. You have access to T16 before killing any of the aspirational bosses. Plus you haven't seen the atlas tree yet. You're just trying to "ggg bad" with little context.


This is some serious spin. As Phrazz mentioned there is gating, and I would go a step further saying that "having access" to a few T16 maps, is much different than last league when you had full access to a complete T16 Atlas just by following the conquerors quest line. You didnt have any aspirational hoops to jump through.

And yes, I think that is "GGG bad" with context.
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Last edited by DarthSki44#6905 on Feb 1, 2022, 12:13:32 PM
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Phrazz wrote:
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Moridin79 wrote:
Nothing is gated.


Yes, Sextants are. Which is a fairly huge change. And a strange one. Why do you need Sextants (which is a progression-tool) when you've beaten everything the game has to offer - and "done" with progression?


I don't think I've ever used a sextant on a white or even yellow map. They were only there for the mega juice at the end when I was "done" with progression.

Technically there's no such thing btw unless you're lvl 100 with literally perfect gear.

Also, the passive tree will more than cover what you're supposedly "losing"

@darth actually wanting to return to the awful conq/watchstone system is pretty cringe. Obviously GGG thinks that sextants are a super endgame system and will be offset by an atlas wide passive tree. Less micro management is always welcome and won't hurt progression in any way. Besides, you or the op can always just pay for a carry. There's no shame in it bro.

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Last edited by Moridin79#6328 on Feb 1, 2022, 12:19:03 PM
Seriously.. People are scared of some boss yet cry for something that's basically useless if you aren't strong enough to use, that's supposed to juice up endgame content even more once you're stomping it hard already x)

This will be easier than the past 2 years with all that conqueror grinding, Baran messing your maps randomly when low players didn't want to with his big lightning mods and mana-draining fly traps, multiple Sirus and so on..
Then again, we'll even have way more implicits on stuff, even low stuff !

How did you beat Merveil on Act1 ? Momafackin' Dominus on Act3 or even a goddamn GOD, Kitava the Insatiable !!?
That's right, you learned the patterns, you avoided getting hit and killed it, sometimes with more or less skill.
Really.. It comes as you play, and if you play 1H/week you can't blame on the difficulty or cry about not doing all the content ^^

Just check my previous post for Maven's battle solutions.. trivializes it really !
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