GGG, DONT NERF MINIONS

In my opinion, the +2 passive is kinda' mandatory for any necro that is using minions, I think it needs some rework. Without that passive, you're better with minions as guardian.

Also, would be nice if we'd have "smarter" spectres. Maybe add some Feeding Frenzy on steroids into ascendancy?

Even Elementalists pick Necromancer, so no doubt , their ascendancy,along with Assassin/Trickster is the most powerful in POE right now. Full block , great suvivability, massive DPS, moderate investment, good clear, great bossing, it has it all and better than any other ascendancy in the game right now. Occultists, Elementalists, Hierophant, Inquisitors, none have the massive advantages the tree gives a Necro. Even Arc Witch is a Necro now, we might end up seeing Necro Melees at this pace, ...XD. Whenever they introduce a change in the tree aimed at melee survivabity , Necros pick it, whenever they add a change aimed at helping anything they always have great synergy with it. They are in the sweet spot, the place to be in the POE tree.

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6_din_49 wrote:

In my opinion, the +2 passive is kinda' mandatory for any necro that is using minions, I think it needs some rework. Without that passive, you're better with minions as guardian.

Also, would be nice if we'd have "smarter" spectres. Maybe add some Feeding Frenzy on steroids into ascendancy?

I played minions since Essence league and I think they are in a good spot finally. I think someone at GGG actually must have played a minion build at some point and said "holy crap this is annoying" with the dumb zombies, non-persistent specters, low number of summons for things like skeletons per cast, needing every possible upgrade on minions do have them not instantly die on end game bosses, etc.

I enjoy having a semi-active minion build, I don't want it to be even more just run and watch things die.

The problem is when somehow it became better to be a caster as a necro than anything else.

People are talking about nerfing bone offering etc, all focusing on those builds when its the only thing defensive you really have as a minion build due to starved gem slots.

Bone Offering, Glancing Blows, Essence Glutton, ..Necros have melee defensive abilities, Armour, mitigations, Es and Life regen, Block, superb DPS scaling thru gems and later, gear, to some ridiculous numbers, they fight from afar, and benefit from such a wide range of nodes and gear that they have been the most played ascendancy for 4 leagues,...in a row,...after 3 nerfs. Zombies nerfed, Skeletons. Skeletons nerfed? Spectres? Spectres nerfed, SRS, Golems, you name it. They have the best tree layout (Assassin are top too), the easiest levelling process, incredible DPS potential, superb defensive layers (not just Block), ...

They create a Heist league, and if they dont nerf Necros a bit, 40% of playerbase will let the Minions destroy every single enemy on those stealthy bases, again. I can understand people not liking the fact that Necros might get nerfed, or arguing they are in the right spot, but at the moment, they alone, are killing any competition, variety and ascendancy balance, singlehandedly.

They get to Assassin numbers and potential at the end of the league, but manage to get to red maps with a ridiculous investment.

P.S: due to their strategic placement in the tree, whenever they nerf a Necro, Melees get hit, or Occulstits, or Elementalists, meanwhile the Passives they get after every lab are as good if not better DPS/defense wise than any other ascendancy, less DPS than a Zerker and Assassin, by a small margin, while watching the action from a safer distance.

Necro or Cast on Crit variants for Assassins, the most OP ascendancies by far.

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ArisFuser wrote:

I can understand people not liking the fact that Necros might get nerfed, or arguing they are in the right spot, but at the moment, they alone, are killing any competition, variety and ascendancy balance, singlehandedly.

Yet POE Ninja has more assassins than necros and of those necros less than half are minion builds.

I'll add for what its worth I'm not even planning on a necro next league as a main since I've done that too often and need a new playstyle.

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ArisFuser wrote:

Bone Offering, Glancing Blows, Essence Glutton, ..Necros have melee defensive abilities, Armour, mitigations, Es and Life regen, Block, superb DPS scaling thru gems and later, gear, to some ridiculous numbers, they fight from afar, and benefit from such a wide range of nodes and gear that they have been the most played ascendancy for 4 leagues,...in a row,...after 3 nerfs. Zombies nerfed, Skeletons. Skeletons nerfed? Spectres? Spectres nerfed, SRS, Golems, you name it. They have the best tree layout (Assassin are top too), the easiest levelling process, incredible DPS potential, superb defensive layers (not just Block), ...

They create a Heist league, and if they dont nerf Necros a bit, 40% of playerbase will let the Minions destroy every single enemy on those stealthy bases, again. I can understand people not liking the fact that Necros might get nerfed, or arguing they are in the right spot, but at the moment, they alone, are killing any competition, variety and ascendancy balance, singlehandedly.

the fact that other ascendancies like occultist and elementalist were nerfed and relatively suck, should not justify any nerfs to necromancer.

what is this guy even talking about?

bone offering + glancing blows nerf ok but other?

essence glutton is not being used in typical minions build
physical mitigation? 10% - yeah, huge mitigation
melee defensive abilities - what the fuck are those? never heard of any
mitigations? - what kind of? bone armour doesnt stack with guard skills
block? there is no block out of mistress of sacrifice + bone offering, but if you use this, your clear speed will be even more bad without flesh offering

superb damage scaling? damage of minions build comes mostly from gem levels, so they are good when leveling, but they are not the only skills in the game that work this way. and about endgame scaling - any build can double or triple that dps with proper scaling

i mean you just mention all things together without any details.

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what is this guy even talking about?

Thing is. Don´t nerf Necros because they are in the sweet spot GGG. Buff 80% of all others instead. Yes, seems legit.

Anyway, lets get this straight. If they don´t nerf them it would be ok to me. I have nothing against them, really. But the ascendancy balance is broken in POE right now and there are only a couple of ascendancies enjoying the state of the game at the moment. Necro is, of course, one of them.

i mean cmon man, try to do some zombiez now

unless this is a baron build with 100ex investment and/or with 30ex bow/staff, you will find yourself with 1 million dps at best and 5k hp with terrible defense, and your zombies will probably die to an endgame bosses because they will need to be scaled to like 28 gem level to be safe, what exactly is unbalanced right here?

i dont understand...

Problem is not Necro per se...Problem is ascendancy balance. Necros actually, got their Nerf overdose, but they were so utterly broken by design that they reign supreme in a hospital full of crippled ascendancies.

And Zombie Nerf is like speaking of Cleave being nerfed for a Melee, thay can choose from 12 others and laugh at GGGs efforts.

Do you think GGG hasnt noticed yet?

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ArisFuser wrote:

Problem is not Necro per se...Problem is ascendancy balance. Necros actually, got their Nerf overdose, but they were so utterly broken by design that they reign supreme in a hospital full of crippled ascendancies.

And Zombie Nerf is like speaking of Cleave being nerfed for a Melee, thay can choose from 12 others and laugh at GGGs efforts.

Do you think GGG hasnt noticed yet?

Yes, minions got nerfed to the point where necros are better at everything else, except minions.