1.) A lot of builds do extremely high dps with enough investment. There is no point in comparing them.
2.) There are a lot of viable starter builds that looks better than minions.
A lot of claims and arguments against minions in this thread are not true. Minions scale with gem level and less with items. Comparing it with a build that scales with items is just stupid.
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So yes , it affects me a lot that i actually HAVE to play necro, since its the most efficient build per se , leaving me more currency to do dumb stuff with
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Posted byknivilon Sep 13, 2020, 5:40:31 AM
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Sorry to break it to you but spectres and a few other minion based builds need some toning down of course the other option would be to make them not braindead to play but you would cry then too
GGG logic in action...Instead of making the others attractive or buffing other archetypes , nerf the ones that actually work easy so that everyone struggles >:) ...
Some people just want to see the world burn I guess.
Ahh i want to see the world burn because i think you should have a character that reflects your skill and effort ?
The good old everyone gets a trophy logic.
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Posted bymedicated03on Sep 13, 2020, 5:43:02 AM
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There are a lot of viable starter builds that looks better than minions.
Care to elaborate?
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Posted byArisFuseron Sep 13, 2020, 5:43:15 AM
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Because Necros are fine as they are, right? They are cheap and accesible for league start,umm, oh yes, and to deal 100M DPS when maxed too
Can we stop with those fantasy numbers? People act like 100m+ is the baseline each Summoner will reach. You will have trouble finding even just a handful of players with those numbers outside of Harvest. It takes Mirrors and some godly crafting RNG to even break the 50m mark on any Summoner build.
Not even 1% of the summoner players will achieve a "maxxed" out state. It takes about 15-20ex just to break through 5m dps total on a Redemption Sentry Build.
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For years, Enkies Arc Witch won the prize for being a superb guide, with nice, enjoyable levelling and some potential. Today, a single Spectre or a Golem in a maxed build deal TWICE the damage a maxed Arc Witch can and like 10 times the survivability.
Enkies Arc Witch was and will always be just an "ok" build. And again you are comparing a lowish budget mediocre/average scaling approach to the best scaling approach for Spectres/Golems with Mirror Tier Gear.
Make an Aura Stacking Arc Build with Voices before you compare dps numbers and defense to a Minion Builds with 9-link mirror tier helmets and 80ex cluster jewel setups.
And btw the Spectre build has close to no defense. And the "immortal" Golem builds are a product of Aura Effect Stacking + Purities. Every spellcaster build has acess to that.
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Posted byPrevyon Sep 13, 2020, 5:47:31 AM
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Ok, right, but my point remains: easiest budget levelling with uncapped potential, unseen combination on any other ascendancy. It´s fair Necros can do it, I already said I don´t think Necros deserve further hammer nerfs, actually, but GGG should balance other classes to have a richer balance. That´s all.
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Nerfing summoners is not a solution per se, of course. Solution would be to tone down spectres and golems a bit and show some love for Occultists and Elementalists. Maybe making full Block not so easy for them too. Witch ascendancy balance is completely broken, totally. Because...Necro is simply way better in 90% of the cases.
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Posted byArisFuseron Sep 13, 2020, 5:51:47 AM
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I dont understand. How does someone playing minion build affect you? How does the fact that someone can kill all the content with less then 5ex affect you?
Its a game, you play it to have fun. Why do you even bother about others? Play what you want and enjoy the free time you are spending on the game.
Or do you think that you are smarter then people who are playing minion builds just because you have to kite and press 2 buttons more?
I think that you don't know the meaning and purpose of the game. If you don't play this game for a living (streaming, rmting, etc) why care about others?
As people suggested, there are tons of skills and GGG needs to optimize those builds the be able to do all the contenct, not kill other builds that can do the content easy. But we all know that MTX are more important
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Because of the economy. Why should i play a build where i have to invest 100ex + to do the same content that a build can do with 5-10 ex and net me a 90 ex "profit" that i dont have to dump into my build to do stupid shit with(like gambling , making a new character , making/buying mirror gear etc)
Most of the fun in this game is not from the stupid grind where you do nothing but pick up 1-2 items per map that are not complete garbage , but from the crafting , the rng from gambling and other side content/bosses (which are gated behind currency or time(MORE GRINDING YAY))
So yes , it affects me a lot that i actually HAVE to play necro, since its the most efficient build per se , leaving me more currency to do dumb stuff with
It's been years I wrote here defending some skills from nerf. At its time I was against the nerf of arc due to the trap abuse (watch now self cast arc how bad is)
I was against wimter orb nerf (watch it now)
I was against essence drain, soulrend nerf...
These pure elemental and dot spells have a strange bahaviour. You have fast damage even if you go without a weapon, but at the end you have no sources to push damage further. You end with 10milion dps maybe as max?
If summoner will be nerfed, it will be another forgotten build, super slow and unplayable. And is a stupid lie that you have tons of millions of dps with 5 ex (that is barely 1 cluster jewel for summoner XD)
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Posted byUmbrylon Sep 13, 2020, 6:22:16 AM
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There are a lot of viable starter builds that looks better than minions.
Care to elaborate?
Just look at the starter builds on youtube for the past last leagues. Also all the new skills look really interesting for league start. From my point of view, almost everything looks better than minions. And I love minions. Blazing Salvo on mines? Extreme single target + good clear speed, like BL miner.
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Posted byknivilon Sep 13, 2020, 6:45:56 AM
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I see that most of people here are not capable to understand what is the purpose of the game or what is ARPG with grinding.
Other builds don't affect you at all, you don't have to have everything in the game and if you can't accept that then this is not the game for you.
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Posted byDeletedon Sep 13, 2020, 7:48:10 AM
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Because Necros are fine as they are, right? They are cheap and accesible for league start,umm, oh yes, and to deal 100M DPS when maxed too
Can we stop with those fantasy numbers? People act like 100m+ is the baseline each Summoner will reach. You will have trouble finding even just a handful of players with those numbers outside of Harvest. It takes Mirrors and some godly crafting RNG to even break the 50m mark on any Summoner build.
Not even 1% of the summoner players will achieve a "maxxed" out state. It takes about 15-20ex just to break through 5m dps total on a Redemption Sentry Build.
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For years, Enkies Arc Witch won the prize for being a superb guide, with nice, enjoyable levelling and some potential. Today, a single Spectre or a Golem in a maxed build deal TWICE the damage a maxed Arc Witch can and like 10 times the survivability.
Enkies Arc Witch was and will always be just an "ok" build. And again you are comparing a lowish budget mediocre/average scaling approach to the best scaling approach for Spectres/Golems with Mirror Tier Gear.
Make an Aura Stacking Arc Build with Voices before you compare dps numbers and defense to a Minion Builds with 9-link mirror tier helmets and 80ex cluster jewel setups.
And btw the Spectre build has close to no defense. And the "immortal" Golem builds are a product of Aura Effect Stacking + Purities. Every spellcaster build has acess to that.
Maxed spectres do 500-600m , with an aura bot 1 billion+.
Now you keep talking about 5m average damage for spectres, cute.
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Posted bymedicated03on Sep 13, 2020, 8:44:32 AM
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Other builds don't affect you at all.
FALSE. Unless you play SSF.
And then, there is the point that we would like a balanced Witch ascendancy, not a Necro Meta for 4 leagues in row.
I took 2 Necros to level 98 in 3.9 and 3.10, dont get me wrong, kinda understand the love they get, but unless we have a rework for other classes, this forum Witch Build section is 90% Spectre+Skeleton+VD+Golem guides.
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