GGG, DONT NERF MINIONS

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magicdownunder wrote:

All my less then 6 exa A8 kills are from necromancers (Spiders and Animated Weapons) and I believe ARP did a video beating U.Elder with 5L SRS.

At this point with cluster jewels minions are so broken you could probably beat A8 with less then 1 exa using impale and Spectral Spirits. Heck if I recall correctly the VERY first Sirus kill (when everything was still broken and hard) was done with Solars Guards in a helm.

These are just the budget options, if you jump on ninja or the forum and spend 20 exa or more things get crazier.

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I like minions but if they don't get nerfed I will keep on playing them as my A8 farmer because its so effective and cheap. So far it looks like minions got a buff from the new replica chest pc we'll see what happens.

being able to kill things doesn't mean anything.
people kill U.Elder with AA/ Leap Slam build.
so it also should be nerfed?

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being able to kill things doesn't mean anything.
people kill U.Elder with AA/ Leap Slam build. so it also should be nerfed?

No because the skill // cost for an AA // Leap Slam A8 or U.Elder kill is much higher then minion based A8 or U.Elder kill.

Who gives a flying <censored> you whingey old <censored>?

"I don't like playing minion builds therefore they must be destroyed"
"Minion builds are super cheap therefore they must be destroyed"
"You don't have to press a sequence of 15 buttons every 4.8 seconds therefore minion builds must be destroyed"

The lived reality is the minions are nice and accessible for people who are maybe first starting the game, or who have disabilities that make other builds problematic for them, or for people who just like that army of the dead playstyle.

"But 20% of people play minions in league therefore they must be destroyed"

It's not because minions are awesome, it's because so much else is just shit or prohibitively expensive (yes, for a lot of players 10 Ex is prohibitively expensive). Instead of trying to take a dump on minions because you're a miserable bunch of whining <censored> how about you lobby GGG to improve other builds?

But again, what does it matter? Why does this hurt you soooooo much?

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Aldora_the_Summoner wrote:

Who gives a flying <censored> you whingey old <censored>?

"I don't like playing minion builds therefore they must be destroyed"
"Minion builds are super cheap therefore they must be destroyed"
"You don't have to press a sequence of 15 buttons every 4.8 seconds therefore minion builds must be destroyed"

The lived reality is the minions are nice and accessible for people who are maybe first starting the game, or who have disabilities that make other builds problematic for them, or for people who just like that army of the dead playstyle.

"But 20% of people play minions in league therefore they must be destroyed"

It's not because minions are awesome, it's because so much else is just shit or prohibitively expensive (yes, for a lot of players 10 Ex is prohibitively expensive). Instead of trying to take a dump on minions because you're a miserable bunch of whining <censored> how about you lobby GGG to improve other builds?

But again, what does it matter? Why does this hurt you soooooo much?

What does any of that have to do with how easy/strong some minion builds are for low investment and next to no skill required ?

By improve you mean make even more skills braindead ?

New players and disabled players are your argument ? THey can be nerfed and still work fine for both of those parties :)

Sorry to break it to you but spectres and a few other minion based builds need some toning down of course the other option would be to make them not braindead to play but you would cry then too

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medicated03 wrote:

Sorry to break it to you but spectres and a few other minion based builds need some toning down of course the other option would be to make them not braindead to play but you would cry then too

GGG logic in action...Instead of making the others attractive or buffing other archetypes , nerf the ones that actually work easy so that everyone struggles >:) ...

Some people just want to see the world burn I guess.

So at the end the brillant solution is to totally nerf summoner, so the shaper dps will be at 1-5 millions, while tons of builds can reach 100+ million dps with proper investments?
We must be equal. So all 100+ million dps builds must be nerfed as well :)

Nerfing summoners is not a solution per se, of course. Solution would be to tone down spectres and golems a bit and show some love for Occultists and Elementalists. Maybe making full Block not so easy for them too. Witch ascendancy balance is completely broken, totally. Because...Necro is simply way better in 90% of the cases.

BUT. All they seem to be doing is adding new fancy, good looking spell gems and selfcast, micromanage dependant curses with "Explosion" tag, (that´s the marketing word best works every league) for an ascendancy that already has ...explosions ..and..curses,...so, without a rework out of the plan for GGG, if they nerf Shadows and Archmages and leave Necros alone, what do you guys think is going to be the Meta, AGAIN? And why do you think it is? Because Necros are fine as they are, right? They are cheap and accesible for league start,umm, oh yes, and to deal 100M DPS when maxed too,...it´s not that they are a 1.5 M DPS max Chaos Leaguestart Trickster that has to respec, right?

Minmaxing, dropping 100+ ex on ANY build, it can reach absurd numbers. Well, many of them at least. (Not the case for Occultists and Elementalists, of course, they are DPS capped not matter what you do,...GGG) but they need to heavily invest, play ,die and trade to get there. Even play a first build to mule and get currency. Meanwhile, Necros have the crazy DPS potential AND (AND) the easy levelling process.

For years, Enkies Arc Witch won the prize for being a superb guide, with nice, enjoyable levelling and some potential. Today, a single Spectre or a Golem in a maxed build deal TWICE the damage a maxed Arc Witch can and like 10 times the survivability.

Think of ANY cheap leaguestarter that remains on top 1...2 after...3 months of minmaxing. Correct. Necro.

So, yes, GGG , DONT NERF MINIONS, BUFF almost anything else in this game. Yes, sure.

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I dont understand. How does someone playing minion build affect you? How does the fact that someone can kill all the content with less then 5ex affect you?

Its a game, you play it to have fun. Why do you even bother about others? Play what you want and enjoy the free time you are spending on the game.


Or do you think that you are smarter then people who are playing minion builds just because you have to kite and press 2 buttons more?


I think that you don't know the meaning and purpose of the game. If you don't play this game for a living (streaming, rmting, etc) why care about others?


As people suggested, there are tons of skills and GGG needs to optimize those builds the be able to do all the contenct, not kill other builds that can do the content easy. But we all know that MTX are more important

Easy:
Because of the economy. Why should i play a build where i have to invest 100ex + to do the same content that a build can do with 5-10 ex and net me a 90 ex "profit" that i dont have to dump into my build to do stupid shit with(like gambling , making a new character , making/buying mirror gear etc)

Most of the fun in this game is not from the stupid grind where you do nothing but pick up 1-2 items per map that are not complete garbage , but from the crafting , the rng from gambling and other side content/bosses (which are gated behind currency or time(MORE GRINDING YAY))

So yes , it affects me a lot that i actually HAVE to play necro, since its the most efficient build per se , leaving me more currency to do dumb stuff with

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Cosmonaut111 wrote:

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I dont understand. How does someone playing minion build affect you? How does the fact that someone can kill all the content with less then 5ex affect you?

Its a game, you play it to have fun. Why do you even bother about others? Play what you want and enjoy the free time you are spending on the game.


Or do you think that you are smarter then people who are playing minion builds just because you have to kite and press 2 buttons more?


I think that you don't know the meaning and purpose of the game. If you don't play this game for a living (streaming, rmting, etc) why care about others?


As people suggested, there are tons of skills and GGG needs to optimize those builds the be able to do all the contenct, not kill other builds that can do the content easy. But we all know that MTX are more important

Easy:
Because of the economy. Why should i play a build where i have to invest 100ex + to do the same content that a build can do with 5-10 ex and net me a 90 ex "profit" that i dont have to dump into my build to do stupid shit with(like gambling , making a new character , making/buying mirror gear etc)

Most of the fun in this game is not from the stupid grind where you do nothing but pick up 1-2 items per map that are not complete garbage , but from the crafting , the rng from gambling and other side content/bosses (which are gated behind currency or time(MORE GRINDING YAY))

So yes , it affects me a lot that i actually HAVE to play necro, since its the most efficient build per se , leaving me more currency to do dumb stuff with

Maybe you should not start the league with expensive builds? See some guides labeled as "League Starter/SSF", they are available for all classes.