The Multi-box Thread: How it ruins the game.

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Not_The_First wrote:

Troll much?
Some of us actually respect Skycore as being both intelligent and wise.

Some of you defend cheating too. What a crazy little community.

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Cambob wrote:

Amazing post by Michaelangel007.

Instead of blaming the cheaters and their methods, we need to blame the game design and the players. That is by far the best, in-depth 'cheating excuse' analysis I've seen in ages.

1. I was simply pointing how the existing system works (or not.) Please show me where in my post I directly said anything about cheating or made "excuses" for breaking the ToA??

I neither advocated NOR protested multi-boxing as the issue is MOOT.

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So, theoretically, what game designers should do is give all of the "top tier items" to players upon purchase and implement God Mode once the player begins to play. Then you wouldn't have cheaters.

2. You did read "3. Local Currency", right? Specifically where I said (with emphasis added for your reading comprehension):

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We ALL collect items and FREELY trade/give them to one another as needed. This way we don't give a crap what other people's over-priced items are. We have learnt to just "Play the game and have fun."

3. You have _completely_ missed the point, which I am going to bold so you "get it":

If you had actually studied ANY in-game economies such as Reddit's Diablo 2 server where NO BOTTING is allowed you would see that the economy STILL tanked.

Why?

Because the players will ALWAYS spend insane amount of hours farming for items. THAT is the WHOLE POINT of the game. To level up and collect items!!! Changing the game design is not going to "fix" human nature given this model. ( You can read the threads/debates on reddit.com/r/slashdiablo whether or not to reset the ladder due to the "broken" economy. )

You basically have two choices:

a) You can accept the fact that certain people will farm the shit out drops (both legally and illegally -- I neither approve nor condone of other people's actions.)

OR

b) Ignore them and just play the dam game.

Your choice. As they say:

Those who fail to lessons of the past are condemned to repeat them.


Edit: Fixed spelling of "people's actions"

just to be clear..

i don't multibox. but i don't think multibox is cheating.

in real life, someone drives very expensive car while you are driving some cheap car.

it's not fair but someone can afford something better to do stuff.

if this person is selling drugs to make money or anything illegal, then that is cheating. he should be punished. tho we need a proof he is guilty.


multibox alone isn't cheating.

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Dudebag wrote:

just to be clear..

i don't multibox. but i don't think multibox is cheating.

in real life, someone drives very expensive car while you are driving some cheap car.

it's not fair but someone can afford something better to do stuff.

if this person is selling drugs to make money or anything illegal, then that is cheating. he should be punished. tho we need a proof he is guilty.


multibox alone isn't cheating.

STOP with the BAD analogies.





You wanna use a car analogy? Mention how one Nascar racer gets a 10 year old Sedan while another gets a brand new Camry. This way, both people in the analogy have an actual competitive goal while the playing field is uneven, instead of your biased analogy where it doesn't really matter what happens.

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Dudebag wrote:

just to be clear..

i don't multibox. but i don't think multibox is cheating.

in real life, someone drives very expensive car while you are driving some cheap car.

it's not fair but someone can afford something better to do stuff.

if this person is selling drugs to make money or anything illegal, then that is cheating. he should be punished. tho we need a proof he is guilty.


multibox alone isn't cheating.

One driver can't drive 6 cars simultaneously.
It's not how they were designed.

my point is someone can afford something you cant afford.

good pc to run multiple account

or multiple pcs.

i have 5 pcs that can run poe too.


again, multiboxing alone isn't cheating.


you guys really need to understand this.

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Dudebag wrote:

my point is someone can afford something you cant afford.

good pc to run multiple account

or multiple pcs.

i have 5 pcs that can run poe too.


again, multiboxing alone isn't cheating.


you guys really need to understand this.

running 6 accounts simultaneously...why?
"it's a challenge. It's really hard to do. It gives the game more depth"

blah blah blah.. what a load of crap.

You run 6 accounts simultaneously in order to gain an advantage over other players.

You already understand this. Stop defending cheaters.

it's not cheating.

3rd party program is cheating.

botting is cheating.


multiboxing isn't cheating.


altho it's not very effective to manually run multiple toons, some people still do it to play by him/herself.

it is one of the play style.

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Dudebag wrote:

it's not cheating.

3rd party program is cheating.

botting is cheating.


multiboxing isn't cheating.


altho it's not very effective to manually run multiple toons, some people still do it to play by him/herself.

it is one of the play style.

"play style"
just another attempt to cloud the fact that multiboxing is cheating.

I have 3 computers. Does that mean I can file my taxes 3 times and get 3 refunds?
failed logic is no excuse for cheating.
multiboxing is cheating.

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Cambob wrote:

running 6 accounts simultaneously...why?
"it's a challenge. It's really hard to do. It gives the game more depth"

blah blah blah.. what a load of crap.

You run 6 accounts simultaneously in order to gain an advantage over other players.

You already understand this. Stop defending cheaters.

That's actually a really good question. Why? Let's look at the spectrum of multiboxing, shall we?

Non-Hacker
Makes coffee at home. Manually controls five alternate accounts to follow him around. Runs some maps; gets 250% IIQ, but all that manual control slowed him down so much that he took 250% more time than he would solo, plus it was really, really hard to prevent the alts from dying. He doesn't make any more per unit time and ends up being pretty much like everyone else, except more efficient on map expenditures.

Dumb Hacker
Makes coffee at home. Creates 5 bots that party with him and follow him around. Runs some maps; gets 250% IIQ. Sells proceeds to RMT site.

Overthinking Hacker
Creates 5 bots that party with him and follow him around. Puts a bot on his main that runs around collecting currency from chests in Fellshrine; gets 250% IIQ. Goes to Starbucks. Comes home, does inventory, sells proceeds to RMT site.

Actually Smart Hacker
Creates 6 bots that each operate solo, running around collecting currency from chests in Fellshrine; gets 500% IIQ, since each bot past the first is +100. Goes to Starbucks. Comes home, does inventory, sells proceeds to RMT site.

* Non-hackers who multibox aren't getting any significant time savings, if they can even pull it off.
* The smarter the hacker is, the less likely party play is involved, and the more likely AFK automation is involved.
* The dumber a hacker is, the more likely party play is involved, and the less likely AFK automation is involved.

Technically, all of these are multiboxing -- one individual logged in simultaneously with multiple accounts on multiple computers. Multiboxing to a hacker is like spawning more Overlords in StarCraft; it allows him to grow his army. The Zerglings to this rush -- the real threat -- is botting.

As a side note, I've seen people say "they should allow /players x, it's no different from multiboxing." Maybe no different form the Dumb Hacker example above, but there are still lots of differences, and worst it would give Actually Smart Hackers a powerful tool to amass even more illegitimate wealth (treasure chest bots don't kill anything, but still get party IIQ).