The Plague that is GGG's "Trade" system. & the Predatory dance feeding its lowkey P2W mechanism.

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SeCKSEgai wrote:

OP reminds me of what was called the "bronze mentality" back when I was active on league of legends.

Instead of introspection and improving one's self, OP places the blame elsewhere, in this case the economy.

I managed to hit 36 selling a total of 3 items at 5c each. The rest of my currency was found just playing the game. I found 17 exalts total, and just spent 3 of them, the rest of my gear and a few key maps for varying amounts of chaos.

You can blame the system all you want, but in the end its just an excuse to avoid accepting the faults within yourself.

I had no intention of even playing metamorphosis and didn't even touch it till the last 4 weeks or so. Hell I didn't even like the league and the necro I played for the first time was fun at first but I'll probably never play one again. But I didn't let that stop me from hitting 36 one more time. And don't forget all the 40/40 and level 100 chars that still manage to thrive despite all your complaints.

Maybe you watch streamers and expect to get their experience, but that's like watching the NBA and thinking you can play at that level. Forget about everyone else and just strive to improve at your own pace and you'll get much farther than just placing the blame on something or someone else.

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Nelhyss wrote:

I'll never understand why a minority of people want an Auction House so badly and I'm glad GGG keeps ignoring them.

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Ajo wrote:

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Destructodave wrote:

Yep, the item bloat predatory practice is getting old. I remember a time when I bought into the stash page hype. "Premium tabs? Hell yea thanks GGG! Currency tab! Hell yea thanks GGG!"

But at this point I see every league coming and I'm like, oh new league? Lemme see....Oh 23 new currencies thats gonna need its own special stash tab for 20 bucks? F you GGG. I mean seriously.

Do they really not make enough money on MTX nowadays? That they have to continually item bloat the game for the sole purpose of selling stash tabs? Because if thats not the case, they would be finding ways to let you add said new stuff to existing tabs, instead of selling entire new tabs. They are incredibly predatory, like any p2w game. Even worse in some cases. I mean you have to spend money on premium tabs to even remotely enjoy trading. Which, for the longest time, is basically linked to a 3rd party site with RMT ads plastered all over it.

Yeah, and when you mention that, people will argue that poe is such a small game that can't keep their free-to-play model as pure as the bigger and better examples. I don't think that's true because in the past GGG have been able to thrive on the support and good will of a much smaller community alone. People have been happy to donate in the past without actually needing anything in return, and that's why cosmetics have so stupid prices compared to other games. It's was a sink for GGGold due to inflation caused from massive supporting.

Maybe people started voting with their wallets, or maybe that will of supporting was somewhat lost when the chineese overlords bought GGG. Who knows.

Spoiler

Or maybe they just got greedy.

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warex2500 wrote:

I've enough experience with AH through MMOs and the result is pretty much the same as with the current system. In the current system you're alt tabing to get an answer and in the other one you're sitting there clicking away in the hopes that whatever you wanted wasn't already bought by someone else. Nothing has changed. You'll be back making another rant about changing to something else.

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iuiulitza wrote:

I read your essay . My game experience is nothing like you describe. I am from Europe and Russian players are the fastest to respond when i trade with them. I like the trade system . It allows me to visit other people's hideouts and sometimes see cool stuff in there. You say GGG want to force us to buy stash tabs ? I,m ok with that as long as , they not force me to pay to login in the game . I see complains but i don't solutions. What should they do to make the amount of money they make , without using the methods they are using now ?

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Nelhyss wrote:

I'll never understand why a minority of people want an Auction House so badly and I'm glad GGG keeps ignoring them.

The problem with "minorities and majorities" is they're not a good basis for which one's factually correct. It can be either one, and "popular opinion" isn't worth a dime outside the subjective preferences of those who're "for a way of doing things".

You suffer no less by having to spend longer doing the same thing in more tedious ways than you would have otherwise, just because you're happy with it. Your time is still wasted jumping through GGG's hoops. But people's brains don't necessarily work to improve their existential conditions within a game, or without.
Sometimes becoming friends with the shittier, less efficient parts of your lives is a much easier thing to do, than finding that same befriended ideology/system/habit to be a problem, and having to reform your opinions on it.

Basically, Just because you're happy with a shit system, that doesn't do anything to remove you from the shit system. You're still swimming deep withing it, you still suffer the lack of a better system, waste of time, and you still suffer jumping the same unnecessary hoops as everyone else in it. While only one profits from it all.

Being happy about it, changes nothing, other than your perception. AKA self deception. Which I might also be inclined to do, if I didn't know how to detach myself from my subjective reactions.



tl;dr - This system is basically something you're "religious" about. And no matter how much existential degradation liking it causes in your game/experience, you overlook it all for the thing you have tunnel vision for. You don't need to be aware of certain types suffering to undergo it, you can't opt out just by "choosing to like it" lmao.