EDIT: Atlas is saved.

One orb won't fix this atlas... and I've always been against target farming one or two specific maps.

Not being able to target farm maps is the least of this new altas's problems.

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sarannah101 wrote:

One orb won't fix this atlas... and I've always been against target farming one or two specific maps.

Not being able to target farm maps is the least of this new altas's problems.

I won't claim that it's the only problem, but for me it's certainly the biggest problem.

If you don't like farming 1 or 2 maps, you don't have to do it, but I don't understand why you'd advocate for denying others the opportunity to tailor their own atlas to their liking. Most of my enjoyment in this game came from trying out different atlas strategies every league and from making specialized characters that worked well in certain maps of certain tiers. Forcing everyone to play the same way is not a good thing.

If you're dedicated, you can target farm one map in trade league, but it's probably just ... very tedious to do so, meaning that GGG would reduce the tedium for dedicated map-target-farming players if they would allow more flexibility like the previous Atlas had ....

I don't see how that could be any bad honestly.

I'm not a big fan of the new Atlas either, I've been trying to spawn a conqueror on one of the many areas of my Atlas with not unlocked watchstones .... nothing has been fucking spawning for days, just NOTHING.

Idk, I run the corresponding maps, switch layout, try different regions, I had one conqueror spawn last week and then nothing ...
great
amazing
tons of fun

I'm just bothering less and less with this crap honestly.


edit : nvm about the conqueror not spawning, it seems like they spawn in a certain order or something, I had left one conqueror fight undone because I could not be bothered for now and wanted to spawn another .... would not spawn (I had beaten others while this one was hanging).
Beat the fucker once, the next map in the area where I wanted another conqueror .... he spawned again. There could be an order and I needed to beat him to progress the whole thing, idk.
It's all fucking obscure and convoluted for no sensible reason, pure GGG there I guess ?

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carkasjak wrote:

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sarannah101 wrote:

One orb won't fix this atlas... and I've always been against target farming one or two specific maps.

Not being able to target farm maps is the least of this new altas's problems.

I won't claim that it's the only problem, but for me it's certainly the biggest problem.

If you don't like farming 1 or 2 maps, you don't have to do it, but I don't understand why you'd advocate for denying others the opportunity to tailor their own atlas to their liking. Most of my enjoyment in this game came from trying out different atlas strategies every league and from making specialized characters that worked well in certain maps of certain tiers. Forcing everyone to play the same way is not a good thing.

I agree with you, I'm all for options. And I'm not against players target farming specific maps. I'm just not really for it hehe. For me the atlas seems/feels like an open play-world, in which we can whatever we want. Target farming stands in contrast to that.

To be honest, alot of what you are saying does make sense for your scenario but there are alot of people out there that feel forced to do whatever will make the most currency (which in most people's minds is logical)

This means that using your method will for every one of those people to be locked into doctor farming or something along those lines.

You say its diversity by having more options but in reality the fact that the doctor card and other div cards drop in specficic maps actually limits that diversity. For example your favorite map to run was burial chambers, if they take away the doctor card, would you still run it over and over? or would you feel obligated to move to the next most expensive card with a decent layout?

Thats a problem they probably felt was huge in the old atlas. Saying that it gives alot of freedom is just partially true. people are pushed to certain directions by how good something is (target farming).


This atlas i think they(GGG) feel they made each zone at least have some good maps in each tier so if you dont like the t12s, then the t13's are probably good or something like that. For example if you put stuff in the zone with beach, beach is the only one that will drop for that tier if thats the only one.

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Present23 wrote:

You say its diversity by having more options but in reality the fact that the doctor card and other div cards drop in specficic maps actually limits that diversity.

Not really, there are many ways to make currency, because tons of sheep just farm burial chamber does not mean that it's the best way or anything, there are choices, sheep don't really make choices so ... about them, whatever seriously.

Thats a good point. I found my own way in legion - farmed lava lake, a map nobody really ran because of its boss. I bought in bulk and ran the monolith there. May have not been quite the glacier but it worked for me.

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Fruz wrote:

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Present23 wrote:

You say its diversity by having more options but in reality the fact that the doctor card and other div cards drop in specficic maps actually limits that diversity.

Not really, there are many ways to make currency, because tons of sheep just farm burial chamber does not mean that it's the best way or anything, there are choices, sheep don't really make choices so ... about them, whatever seriously.

Not sure if youre being serious or not but just because there are multiple ways to farm currency doesnt mean certain ways are more superior. im not saying burial chambers is 1000x better than farming atoll's. But if theres a slight push to it because of a very highly sought after card then that does exactly what i said.

person after quoted that he used lava lake to farm monoliths during legion. It worked for him but if he was only farming monoliths then glaciers would have found the monolith faster. You can be less efficient if you prefer and theres nothing wrong with it.

But my point is there will be more efficient ways and more prosperous maps and that in itself does limit the map diversity.

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Present23 wrote:

Not sure if youre being serious or not but just because there are multiple ways to farm currency doesnt mean certain ways are more superior. im not saying burial chambers is 1000x better than farming atoll's. But if theres a slight push to it because of a very highly sought after card then that does exactly what i said.

person after quoted that he used lava lake to farm monoliths during legion. It worked for him but if he was only farming monoliths then glaciers would have found the monolith faster. You can be less efficient if you prefer and theres nothing wrong with it.

But my point is there will be more efficient ways and more prosperous maps and that in itself does limit the map diversity.

This new atlas limits diversity more than any previous versions. It so strongly encourages to just complete everything and play at the highest awakening level that all other strategies become meaningless. Forcing everyone to run all the maps is the opposite of diversity.

It's true that giving people freedom leads to a lot of people doing whatever is "best" for currency, but that doesn't mean you should take all choices away from the rest of us. I've always gotten enough currency to afford whatever I wanted by just doing thousands of maps in the layouts I enjoy. Consider SSF as well. Having the option to tailor your atlas to farm a specific divination card for something when you literally cannot buy from other players is absolutely vital.

This new atlas limits diversity more than any previous versions. It so strongly encourages to just complete everything and play at the highest awakening level that all other strategies become meaningless. Forcing everyone to run all the maps is the opposite of diversity.

It's true that giving people freedom leads to a lot of people doing whatever is "best" for currency, but that doesn't mean you should take all choices away from the rest of us. I've always gotten enough currency to afford whatever I wanted by just doing thousands of maps in the layouts I enjoy. Consider SSF as well. Having the option to tailor your atlas to farm a specific divination card for something when you literally cannot buy from other players is absolutely vital.[/quote]

You just said that it encourages to play at the highest awakening level but thats not necessary. you could easily take stones out and have less awakening levels no? if there wasnt a more bonus for running that many different maps then running one map over and over becomes way too good just like it was in previous atlas.

If you leave only one and have 2 maps at t12 with one awakening level then you have somewhat the shaped map strat you are talking about ish (not as good as before obviously).

if your problem is that highest awakening level is too good then isnt it because you yourself are trying to go to whats most efficient and optimal like shaped strats were back then? The same point im making.

Again im not saying this atlas the way it is the solution but simply adding things to make the previous atlas of shaping one map or getting only one map to work is not the solution. I can see them saying only one seal allowed maybe.

this strat would also work for ssf to take off the watchstones and lower awakener levels to target farm. its just not as optimal and it shouldnt be.