Steelskin and the Guard Skills

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Catharsis wrote:

Between these and the war banners and warcries there's too many buttons

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mic01851165 wrote:

So you say IC nerf is warranted because the game is balanced around trash low end bosses with super telegraphic attacks, while they introduce insanely modded bosses every new league? (Delve with broken mod combo, Cortex who gets mods and become quite insane.)

It's like game dev don't want us succeed in new contents? Great.
Or just go roll a broken HotW Jugg/ Occult or fuck off then?

Even with the best of the best build like Winter Orb Trickster would have a hard time in delve 700+, thus why you barely see any of those pass 700+ (you can count them in one hand), while Occult can easily faceroll 1300+?
So that's ok to you then? Clearspeed build should all be doomed and we should all play face-tank braindead build that never need to dodge anything instead then? You call this good design then? Those builds don't need IC or any of the new mitigation to succeed because their passive defensive mechanic is already way better than the active one.

Don't get me started many melee builds are not even inherently bulky to begin with. I thought this is a melee league then? Guess is a Jugg league then.
Jugg, who's already overpowered for 4 leagues benefit the most from this IC change hands down, and they'd probably become even more op because now they mitigate ele dm too.

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mic01851165 wrote:

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Catharsis wrote:

Between these and the war banners and warcries there's too many buttons

The problem is not too many bottoms to click, rather the hotkey is just too few for those active defense to fit in.

We've got Vaal skills (Vaal Grace/ Righteous Fire/ Haste , already 2~3 spot wasted), 1~2 movement skill (flame dash+ phase run is pretty much must have for most caster classes to have a smooth clearing experience), maybe 1~2 main dps skills depending on build, 1 golem, that's already 7~8 skill slot used.

Wait... we only have 8 skill slot lolz (left click should even leave blank for most builds too)

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simsalabim77 wrote:

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mic01851165 wrote:

So you say IC nerf is warranted because the game is balanced around trash low end bosses with super telegraphic attacks, while they introduce insanely modded bosses every new league? (Delve with broken mod combo, Cortex who gets mods and become quite insane.)

It's like game dev don't want us succeed in new contents? Great.
Or just go roll a broken HotW Jugg/ Occult or fuck off then?

Even with the best of the best build like Winter Orb Trickster would have a hard time in delve 700+, thus why you barely see any of those pass 700+ (you can count them in one hand), while Occult can easily faceroll 1300+?
So that's ok to you then? Clearspeed build should all be doomed and we should all play face-tank braindead build that never need to dodge anything instead then? You call this good design then? Those builds don't need IC or any of the new mitigation to succeed because their passive defensive mechanic is already way better than the active one.

Don't get me started many melee builds are not even inherently bulky to begin with. I thought this is a melee league then? Guess is a Jugg league then.
Jugg, who's already overpowered for 4 leagues benefit the most from this IC change hands down, and they'd probably become even more op because now they mitigate ele dm too.

All endgame fights are well telegraphed. Except for atziri, which i barley ever do, i say this with confidence. Maybe insanly modded endgame bosses should be just that... insane.
The real problem then becomes that you actually can't despawn a boss in synthesis without killing it... or do i remember this incorrectly?

And no i'm saying clearspeed meta builds should have weaknesses (aka, beeing rippy). You know you can balance a char between clear and tankiness right?


Different classes are different. I say get rid of these boring "jack-can-do-all-content" chars.

I'll happily try my trickster past 700+ once i get to standard btw. it's definitly an interesting way of measuring a builds strength, but it shoudln't be the only column you base your judgment on.

I'm gonna stop here, you're just going to continue to try to turn all i say upside down.

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mic01851165 wrote:

Ofc you can balance a character between tankiness and clearspeed, but things like 700+ delve, or even 1000+ delve , there's just nothing that can mitigated that damage without the op ascendency to protect you. (Occult/ Jugg).

Telegraphic you say? Seems like you rarely delve...
And have you tried Cortex with 100% aoe and +3 projectile on top of 33% increased speed? Sure they're telegraphic, you just can't dodge it lolz.
Bad balance is bad balance, and people counter those poorly balanced mods on bosses with broken builds, that's all. We fight fire with fire.

Unless GGG actually tone down the mods on most contents. (Not just toss in some insane random rippy 8 mod combo that is balanced around atlus = easy contents, instead of delve 700+ or some end game league bosses), IC nerf is really unwarranted.

Imagine if Uber Elder get rippy mods, then you'd understand what I mean by broken balance on new league contents introduced since 3.4..
Before that mods are all balanced around atlus contents, and ggg is well aware of that, so they do not include mods on Shaper/ Uber Elder. But after 3.4 , ggg took back all their design philosophy and start breaking the balance by introducing contents that're way beyond t16 maps on top of including mods in it.

3.4 = Delve with broken modded nodes/ bosses
3.5 = Betrayal encounter that does so much damage with mods, and ggg has to repeatedly nerf them for like 10 patches and more.
3.6 = Cortex