Banned for using Trade-Macro

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robmafia wrote:

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Pathological wrote:

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robmafia wrote:

fact: the game IS balanced around NOT using cheats
fact: you say the game should be balanced this way

...what's the problem?

This is called a fallacy of unwarranted assumption, which is that you are ascribing the tag of "cheat" to third party software which isn't against the rules.

...what thread do you think this is?

Cricket bats aren't against the rules, but hitting someone over the head and killing someone with one is.

Actually, based on your post history, perhaps analogy isn't the best way to describe it.

Macros as a class are not against the rules. Specific uses of macros are. Trade macro is not against the rules unless used in a manner that is as such.

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macros, bots, maphacks... it's ludicrous to blame ggg for people cheating.

You categorize macros in the same fashion as bots and maphacks, which they are simply not. Macros are a tool like html or java or a pen and paper. There are many, many uses of macros that are not against the rules, which many players of PoE use to improve the unenjoyable systems of the game. I use more macros in PoE than in any other game I've played, despite the fact that PoE is one of the most enjoyable games I play. It wouldn't be without those macros, and slowly the functions that I used to add through macros are being added to the game (for example, always stand still while casting is a function that many players used to macro before its welcome inclusion to the game).

The reason why people go looking for macros or are easily able to find them is that those systems need improving. If they didn't, people would not be incentivised to look or create them. The function that the OP probably got banned for shouldn't exist, but it does. It shouldn't be mainstream, but it is. I'm guessing a lot of people just assume it's fine because it's part of a tool that has been accepted as the norm in the game.

This doesn't mean that it isn't each particular user's fault for not knowing, they deserve the bans they get. Saying that GGG is partially to blame for the problem does not absolve those people from their crimes. But, as I stated multiple times in the past, it would be incredibly stupid and irresponsible to think that GGG hasn't had a part to play in getting to the point where tools like this have become mainstream and where that mistake is there for ley-people to make.

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Pathological wrote:

Cricket bats aren't against the rules, but hitting someone over the head and killing someone with one is.

Actually, based on your post history, perhaps analogy isn't the best way to describe it.

Macros as a class are not against the rules.

...anddddddddddd?

i never said all macros violate the ToS. i don't think you've followed this conversation.

i referred to 'illegal' macros in a thread about... get this, macros that violated the ToS. amazing, right?

How would you know what your friend did...
Of course he can tell you whatever he wants.

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ChefoSLR wrote:

There is no logical reason why we don't have an auction house for bulk items like maps, currency, frags, etc.

Yes there is a logical reason. That reason is clearly explained in GGG's manifesto on the topic.

If you want to discuss it, at least do it honestly. If you disagree with their reasons, then address the specifics of what GGG has said.

Don't just pretend that they have not given any reasons.

I remember this post by Sarno:

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Sarno wrote:

Mercury Trade you'd want to e-mail support@grindinggear.com about.

POE Trade Macro is fine.

It´s found here:
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2242498/page/1

If I remember right, Sarno used to say that mercury-trade is fine, too. But he edited his post in october 2018, so maybe something has changed here.

Maybe if Sarno reads this, he could clarify why he changed his wording? Would be interesting to know.

Sarno´s guide to macro use:
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2077975

Keep in mind though, that some tools may have been fine in the past and then received upgrades that are against the terms of use. Or some tools might offer the potential to break them.
The #1 rule is: one action per click / press. If it does anything else, you can be sure it´s not allowed.

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Qiox wrote:

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ChefoSLR wrote:

There is no logical reason why we don't have an auction house for bulk items like maps, currency, frags, etc.

Yes there is a logical reason. That reason is clearly explained in GGG's manifesto on the topic.

If you want to discuss it, at least do it honestly. If you disagree with their reasons, then address the specifics of what GGG has said.

Don't just pretend that they have not given any reasons.

I won't waste my breath debating the merits of that waste of bandwidth and brain cells. I understand GGG think they discovered fire on this topic, but really they're discovering why you don't use wet twigs to make a fire. Auction houses exist for a reason. Easy, hassle-free trading exists for a reason. Games that have said easy trading did not collapse into casual fiestas where everyone is fully geared and there's no challenge.

I think it's way past time to accept that PoE was built on archaic thinking that has no place in a 2019 game. Do you honestly think that, when Torchlight Frontiers and Diablo 4 come out, both with dedicated auction houses, people will bother whispering 50 times for a Basillica map so they can play the fucking game? PoE coasted on zero competition for years and it allowed GGG to get away with degenerate, outdated philosophies like "our trade-focused game should have dogshit trading". Time to step into the present.

PS: Both console versions of PoE have an auction house. Frankly I find that comedic, but your mileage for unintentional irony may vary.

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ExcretusMaximus wrote:

Why are these threads always about a "friend?"

Just admit you were banned.

wanna talk in-game ya smart one ? ;D

i swear *exiles* like are what humanity is, Bright and intelligent; stupid.

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IamLoco wrote:

I remember this post by Sarno:

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Sarno wrote:

Mercury Trade you'd want to e-mail support@grindinggear.com about.

POE Trade Macro is fine.

It´s found here:
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2242498/page/1

If I remember right, Sarno used to say that mercury-trade is fine, too. But he edited his post in october 2018, so maybe something has changed here.

Maybe if Sarno reads this, he could clarify why he changed his wording? Would be interesting to know.

That edit was made less than one minute after the post was originally submitted. I've checked the post's revision history and I was correcting the e-mail address, as I had originally typed the wrong one by accident.

I've done a custom Google search for "Mercury Trade" and "Sarno" and not turned up any forum posts which show me saying that the tool is okay to use. I sometimes look into the functionality of tools as a courtesy when folks ask - for example, a few people PM'd me about POE Trade Companion asking if it was okay, so I checked and it most certainly is not. I can't remember ever looking into what Mercury Trade does or how, so I'm unlikely to have publicly offered advice on whether using it is likely to be permitted by GGG.

My personal Path of Exile experience is a pretty vanilla one. Outside of trade sites and loot filters, I don't use any third-party tools when playing. I don't have the time for the game that I once did, so if I did, I'd likely spend as long updating them as I would playing the game. Not really worth it in my case.

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Qiox wrote:

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ChefoSLR wrote:

There is no logical reason why we don't have an auction house for bulk items like maps, currency, frags, etc.

Yes there is a logical reason. That reason is clearly explained in GGG's manifesto on the topic.

If you want to discuss it, at least do it honestly. If you disagree with their reasons, then address the specifics of what GGG has said.

Don't just pretend that they have not given any reasons.

I read that manifesto. It was complete non-sense. Reason GGG doesn't want in game trade mechanics is to keep the top traders rich and screw everyone else. The only thing in the manifesto that even mentions bulk items was a brief mention of maps under the
"Easy trade would make the disparity between different players too great" section.
which is complete bullshit since there already is a huge disparity between players.

lolz @ people touting the console AH. give it a try. be sure to report back.