Banned for using Trade-Macro

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ultratiem wrote:

Are you trolling or are just bafflingly obtuse. None of the PoE trade macros do that!!! All of them have been built to follow GGG’s TOS.

You clearly have no clue and the fact you’re basically abusing your valuable poster tag is insufferable, Maybe you should stop spreading FUD.

Last I checked, POE Trades Companion's default settings include sending a message to another person and inviting them to your group with a single button press. Interested in rules? Read the forum's some time.

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Sarno wrote:

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Are you trolling or are just bafflingly obtuse. None of the PoE trade macros do that!!! All of them have been built to follow GGG’s TOS.

You clearly have no clue and the fact you’re basically abusing your valuable poster tag is insufferable, Maybe you should stop spreading FUD.

Last I checked, POE Trades Companion's default settings include sending a message to another person and inviting them to your group with a single button press. Interested in rules? Read the forum's some time.

Yep. If you want to be safe you need to avoid using the things in the program that does this. There is a good reason GGG always point towards the 1 server side action rule when people ask if a program is legal. They simply won't directly say yes without adding that in. That should in theory prevent people from thinking that every added feature to those programs in the future will be ok to use. Sadly people are ignorant and assume everything is legal just because they didn't get a clear no.

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robmafia wrote:

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Pathological wrote:

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LoreDragon wrote:

If he's one the guys who requested for a trade and didn't show up, I hope he gets banned forever.

I dont know what you're talking about, but if you mean someone asks to buy something from you then doesn't accept your request, I do that all the time without trade macro.

Given the state of trading in the game it's a hell of a lot easier to spam the first 5 people listed at once and take the first invite than wait for a response to one at a time. Trade macro might do it instantly, but I frequently do it in the space of 10 seconds or so.

spam is one of the reportable conditions in-game, but if i refer to spam negatively here the post is removed.

lolwut

Spamming general chat or repeating the same message to someone... sure.

Sending a message to buy from 10 people at once (nb: within a small timeframe, not literally at the same time) is absolutely not against the rules.

It's against the rules if you automate it, but doing it manually is actually enabled by the official trade website (one-click copy trade message to clipboard).

This thread is the first time ive heard this particular whinge, while there are multiple reddit threads a day about "the state of trading" showing screens full of people not responding to trade requests.

People are being efficient by sending out multiple trade requests knowing that the majority of them wont respond. If it annoys you so much that people ask and then dont go through with it, get used to it. More appropriately, send the party request and wait for them to actually go to your hideout before you portal out.

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Sarno wrote:

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Are you trolling or are just bafflingly obtuse. None of the PoE trade macros do that!!! All of them have been built to follow GGG’s TOS.

You clearly have no clue and the fact you’re basically abusing your valuable poster tag is insufferable, Maybe you should stop spreading FUD.

Last I checked, POE Trades Companion's default settings include sending a message to another person and inviting them to your group with a single button press. Interested in rules? Read the forum's some time.

I’ve notified z0rhawk, the developer of that script. Hopefully they can clear up this mess. I’ll be waiting when you admit you where wrong and want a slice of humble pie (we serve it daily with a free cup of coffee).

Maybe it’s you that should read the forum guidelines before spreading misinformation and basically dragging some poor developer through the mud who has gone through painstaking effort to provide the community with value and is in full compliance with GGG’s TOS.

You seem deadset in your convictions, which is egregious.

The fact is, OP’s friend was not banned by using any of the trade macros that are found on the forums.

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ultratiem wrote:

I’ve notified z0rhawk, the developer of that script. Hopefully they can clear up this mess.

No need. I'll do it for them citing both them and GGG.




WHAT THE CREATOR OF POE TRADES COMPANION HAS TO SAY ABOUT ITS FUNCTIONALITY


POE Trades Companion FAQ on GitHub;

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Additionally, if the user does not like the aspect of sending two chat messages/commands at once for some buttons, they can completely edit/disable such functions or keep the bare minimum using the smaller buttons.

Source: https://github.com/lemasato/POE-Trades-Companion/wiki/FAQ


If you would like a clearer description of the functionality, here is a previous revision;

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The only statement from GGG about macro is "one server action per macro".
With default settings, some buttons (such as Invite/Thanks) send two messages by clicking on them which is considered as two server action within a single macro. This would mean that these buttons are out of terms.

Source: https://github.com/lemasato/POE-Trades-Companion/wiki/FAQ/a5b699cfe9fd9b0da36d86d4fd73f23d53e191a0



WHAT GGG HAS TO SAY ABOUT WHETHER THAT FUNCTIONALITY IS PERMITTED


Thus, we know that POE Trades Companion performs multiple commands per button press. Now that we have that out of the way, let's examine whether this is permitted.

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Rob_GGG wrote:

We do not allow macros that perform more then one server side action.

Source: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1694310#p13448270


If you are still not convinced, I also know of a thread where someone asked about a single button press triggering multiple chat-related actions, and GGG responded to it. Here are the quotes;

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insane99 wrote:

just to clarify whenever i press f9 this posts the message i input in trade chat 1-8

Source: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/931994#p7905989

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Yeran_GGG wrote:

Hey there,

I have edited out your script. Any macros that perform multiple actions on the client is against our Terms of Use.

Source: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/931994#p7906080



THE TL;DR

• Does POE Trades Companion perform multiple server-side actions per button press? Yes.
• Has the creator of the tool acknowledged that it works this way? Yes.
• Has the creator of the tool admitted that this is not permitted by the Terms of Use? Yes.
• Does GGG permit a single button press performing multiple server-side actions? No.
• Does GGG make any kind of exemption for chat-related actions? No.

TL;DR OF THE TL;DR

Can you use this without risking an account ban? No.

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Sarno wrote:

Does GGG permit a single button press performing multiple server-side actions? No.
Does GGG make any kind of exemption for chat-related actions? No.

Meanwhile you are allowed to use 3rd party software to instantly log out with custom keybinds.

Meanwhile you are allowed to use a single button to grab an items stats, use those stats for finding trade listings and displaying them ingame as an overlay.

Meanwhile you are allowed to use 3rd party software that reads POE's logfiles (lol?) to determine your position in the labyrinth and thus making a routed ingame adaptive map over the labyrinth possible.

Needless to say, the TOS is ridiculous and the "popsicle macro" is proof of that.

@Sarno is 100% spot on here and your friend was properly banned for using a multiaction key macro....

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reprot9x wrote:

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Sarno wrote:

Does GGG permit a single button press performing multiple server-side actions? No.
Does GGG make any kind of exemption for chat-related actions? No.

Meanwhile you are allowed to use 3rd party software to instantly log out with custom keybinds.

Meanwhile you are allowed to use a single button to grab an items stats, use those stats for finding trade listings and displaying them ingame as an overlay.

Meanwhile you are allowed to use 3rd party software that reads POE's logfiles (lol?) to determine your position in the labyrinth and thus making a routed ingame adaptive map over the labyrinth possible.

Needless to say, the TOS is ridiculous and the "popsicle macro" is proof of that.

None of those you mention break the rules... although the jury is still out on the lab map one.

bump for Pie Gate.....

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Shagsbeard wrote:

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reprot9x wrote:

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Sarno wrote:

Does GGG permit a single button press performing multiple server-side actions? No.
Does GGG make any kind of exemption for chat-related actions? No.

Meanwhile you are allowed to use 3rd party software to instantly log out with custom keybinds.

Meanwhile you are allowed to use a single button to grab an items stats, use those stats for finding trade listings and displaying them ingame as an overlay.

Meanwhile you are allowed to use 3rd party software that reads POE's logfiles (lol?) to determine your position in the labyrinth and thus making a routed ingame adaptive map over the labyrinth possible.

Needless to say, the TOS is ridiculous and the "popsicle macro" is proof of that.

None of those you mention break the rules... although the jury is still out on the lab map one.

I'm actually really confused about the lab map one.

It's really easy to just navigate through the labyrinth yourself. Do the log files include information about what direction to go for which exit? Because frankly it feels like it'd be easier to just display an overlay window with the poelab.com map in the top-left corner or something while running lab (and keeping track of which room you're in yourself) but if there's some kind of maphack-like effect you can gain by parsing logs then that sounds waaaaay more problematic.