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Don't believe the Hype!
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Posted bybrutson Apr 15, 2019, 2:06:51 PM
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I am ok with GGG banning trade macros...as long as they also ban macros for instant-logout. Fair is fair.
while i agree with the spirit of this, alt+f4 is just one command, so it wouldn't logically apply.
but yeah, i'd be with with alt+f4 being removed.
While alt+F4 is a command, it is still cheating in some way. Most Standard players do not use it except for those pushing for 100 and the usage of it is cheating to some degree, since it is used to bypass a certain death due to poor planning.
The usage of it in HC is even worse, because it is a league based on permanent death therefore as a player it is your responsibility to gear properly and plan to avoid bad situations.
Some might counter my examples of ''oh you are saying I should play POE your way'', which is true if we say ''my way'' is the way the game is supposed to be played. The problem behind using ''their way'' is that it begs the question on what is the limit? If auto-logout is allowed, why not auto trade or auto-pot usage? It creates an area where cheating is more prevalent and GGG will need to make instance more rippy to counter that effect.
Who will be impacted the most because of cheaters? Players like me that play the game the way it is supposed to be played, aka without macros.
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Posted byandreicdeon Apr 15, 2019, 2:18:39 PM
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I remember this post by Sarno:
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It´s found here:
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2242498/page/1
If I remember right, Sarno used to say that mercury-trade is fine, too. But he edited his post in october 2018, so maybe something has changed here.
Maybe if Sarno reads this, he could clarify why he changed his wording? Would be interesting to know.
That edit was made less than one minute after the post was originally submitted. I've checked the post's revision history and I was correcting the e-mail address, as I had originally typed the wrong one by accident.
I've done a custom Google search for "Mercury Trade" and "Sarno" and not turned up any forum posts which show me saying that the tool is okay to use. I sometimes look into the functionality of tools as a courtesy when folks ask - for example, a few people PM'd me about POE Trade Companion asking if it was okay, so I checked and it most certainly is not. I can't remember ever looking into what Mercury Trade does or how, so I'm unlikely to have publicly offered advice on whether using it is likely to be permitted by GGG.
My personal Path of Exile experience is a pretty vanilla one. Outside of trade sites and loot filters, I don't use any third-party tools when playing. I don't have the time for the game that I once did, so if I did, I'd likely spend as long updating them as I would playing the game. Not really worth it in my case.
Hello Sarno,
I am very sorry then that I remembered this wrong.
I looked through the linked thread again and it was in fact "Abdiel_Kavash" in your thread on page 5:
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2077975/page/5
"Both of these are allowed.
Note that this has absolutely nothing to do with how much advantage they give you or how much QoL they add. Neither of these is any consideration at all in deciding what is allowed and what is not. The only thing that matters is what the macro actually does. And all that both of these tools do is send a single chat message with a keypress, which is explicitly allowed."
I remembered that because I was the one who asked about those 2 tools back then ;)
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Posted byIamLocoon Apr 15, 2019, 2:33:38 PM
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I am ok with GGG banning trade macros...as long as they also ban macros for instant-logout. Fair is fair.
while i agree with the spirit of this, alt+f4 is just one command, so it wouldn't logically apply.
but yeah, i'd be with with alt+f4 being removed.
While alt+F4 is a command, it is still cheating in some way. Most Standard players do not use it except for those pushing for 100 and the usage of it is cheating to some degree, since it is used to bypass a certain death due to poor planning.
The usage of it in HC is even worse, because it is a league based on permanent death therefore as a player it is your responsibility to gear properly and plan to avoid bad situations.
Some might counter my examples of ''oh you are saying I should play POE your way'', which is true if we say ''my way'' is the way the game is supposed to be played. The problem behind using ''their way'' is that it begs the question on what is the limit? If auto-logout is allowed, why not auto trade or auto-pot usage? It creates an area where cheating is more prevalent and GGG will need to make instance more rippy to counter that effect.
Who will be impacted the most because of cheaters? Players like me that play the game the way it is supposed to be played, aka without macros.
you're arguing with the wrong person.
your problem isn't whether you think it's cheating or not. it's ggg's stance on macros. as long as it's one command per button, it's fine. hence, my point.
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...it was quotes. from the forum. lolz!
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Posted byrobmafiaon Apr 15, 2019, 2:49:36 PM
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Oh, yes. Why making player-friendly trade system if you can simply ban people? :D
WAT
i love that people's actions are never their own fault/responsibility, anymore.
I agree it piss me off incredibly. Idiotic society.
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Posted byKastmaron Apr 15, 2019, 3:08:35 PM
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I am ok with GGG banning trade macros...as long as they also ban macros for instant-logout. Fair is fair.
while i agree with the spirit of this, alt+f4 is just one command, so it wouldn't logically apply.
but yeah, i'd be with with alt+f4 being removed.
While alt+F4 is a command, it is still cheating in some way. Most Standard players do not use it except for those pushing for 100 and the usage of it is cheating to some degree, since it is used to bypass a certain death due to poor planning.
The usage of it in HC is even worse, because it is a league based on permanent death therefore as a player it is your responsibility to gear properly and plan to avoid bad situations.
Some might counter my examples of ''oh you are saying I should play POE your way'', which is true if we say ''my way'' is the way the game is supposed to be played. The problem behind using ''their way'' is that it begs the question on what is the limit? If auto-logout is allowed, why not auto trade or auto-pot usage? It creates an area where cheating is more prevalent and GGG will need to make instance more rippy to counter that effect.
Who will be impacted the most because of cheaters? Players like me that play the game the way it is supposed to be played, aka without macros.
you're arguing with the wrong person.
your problem isn't whether you think it's cheating or not. it's ggg's stance on macros. as long as it's one command per button, it's fine. hence, my point.[/quote]
Which proves my point since this is GGG's fault. By allowing macros, even for one command per button, they basically opened a can of worms. Now people will try to argue their case further and further.
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Posted byandreicdeon Apr 15, 2019, 3:13:34 PM
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Tbh the rules are pretty clear:
3rd party programs can only do 1 server side action per click. If you use the program for anything more than that you break the rules. Use trade macro sure, but make sure you never use the ability to do do multiactions/multimessages with it.
The friend of the OP probably did just that or is not telling the whole story :P
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Posted byarknathon Apr 15, 2019, 3:24:15 PM
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Which proves my point since this is GGG's fault. By allowing macros, even for one command per button, they basically opened a can of worms. Now people will try to argue their case further and further.
rob's "point" is that your whole argument makes no sense.
Cheating is whatever the devs define as cheating. They have very simple, straightforward, and specific rules about what counts as cheating. Logout macros aren't cheating because they've decided it.
It really is that simple.
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Posted bycodetakuon Apr 15, 2019, 3:41:09 PMOn Probation
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I think the title of the post is misleading.
If this "friend" got a perma ban, it´s certainly not because of "the" Trade Macro, which does absolutely nothing within the game.
It´s probably "a" trade macro, sth fishy that does mess with multiple actions server side.
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Posted byIamLocoon Apr 15, 2019, 3:47:21 PM
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Tbh the rules are pretty clear:
3rd party programs can only do 1 server side action per click. If you use the program for anything more than that you break the rules.
What about a bot that uses keypresses as fuel? For example, a bot that repeatedly farms the blood aqueducts and queues up any single server side action but does not execute them until the player clicks i.e. wait for click, move to pack, wait for click, use main skill, wait for click, pick up loot etc..
This would be totally legit and not breaking the TOS as long as you keep feeding the bot with clicks manually?
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Posted byreprot9xon Apr 15, 2019, 5:27:27 PM
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