Time Capsule from PoE Closed Beta -- a classic PoE vs D3 thread circa 2012

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MaxTheLimit wrote:

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Tagek wrote:

I wouldn't say they did it because of the difficulties involved, but because it simply worked out much better.

I was only speculating. Though one does wonder about the scrapped work of the original Blizzard north team ( who later left ), and the rumblings from former Blizzard North employees that they were unhappy with how Diablo 3 was being developed, and what the end result really means.

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Tagek wrote:

Well if you look at it from the other side, even though you might not like many aspects of the game, others do.
For example, I personally like pretty much every single aspect of Diablo 3, and I am convinced it will be one of the best gaming experiences of my life.

I freely admit that it comes down to personal taste, and that D3 will have a HUGE customer base. I don't claim I'm right ( or that there even is a 'right' here ). All I'm pointing out is that I had hopes that D3 would build upon the aspects of D1 and D2, rather than the change in direction that was taken from the prequels to D3. You must admit that there is a distinct change in direction at least? If you can admit that, can you at least see where some people may be disappointed? Don't get me wrong. Blizzard is under no obligation to please me or ANY of the old school Diablo fans. In some ways it doesn't make sense to cater to the old school Diablo fans. We don't nearly match up with the WoW fan base. So it obviously makes more sense to keep as many Diablo fans as you can, but try to get those WoW customers as well. I certainly DO understand it. I just wish there was a way for a company the size of Blizzard to bring it all together in a way they haven't ( again for me ).

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Tagek wrote:

I don't think they are catering to the masses per se, but rather making the game as good as they can make it in their vision.

I do think we have a difference of opinion there. I'm pretty damned sure they ARE trying to cater to the masses. But I'm not one of those saying that Blizzard is TRYING to alienate old fans like me. I'm sure they want me as a customer. I'm sure there was consideration, and lots of it, put towards getting old Diablo fans to buy D3. I am of the opinion that there was MORE effort in bringing in their 'new' fans though.

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Tagek wrote:

Just because you don't like a game's direction doesn't mean they are milking it, as people like me, who like the game will attest to. After all, who are you (or me, or anyone) to determine what a game should be like, and when something is being milked or not. Hell, D3 comes out 12 years after it's predecessor, if that's milking, then pretty much every franchise in existence is a cow-farm.

Well the development of D3 has been interesting to say the least. From all accounts, everything don't by the original Blizzard North team who made D1 and D2 was completely thrown out ( most people seem to think this happened around 2005-2006 ), but that again is speculation. In the end it is a long development cycle, and a large investment. That being the case, the temptation for a game company to milk the franchise for all it's worth would be large. This is more a commentary about Blizzard than D3 itself, but it can influence the game, and I think it just might. If there is more focus put towards the profitability of a product, then the quality of the product could suffer. Blizzard does have the resources to do both, but if their focus isn't towards the quality of the game ( or enough focused that direction ), there could be some serious issues.

.. again, sorry for all the speculation. It's not my issues with Blizzard that really influenced my opinion of D3, or RMAH. I AM aware of it though. It is a concern I have.

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

I disagree, Tagek -- it is not nonsense at all! Yes, the combat mechanics are ostensibly from D2, because Diablo 3 is of course an ARPG/Diablo game. But can we say there are many other similarities, really?

More importantly, and this will work in your favour, can we say that 'combat' is just one of the cues? Wouldn't it be better to step closer and say 'the cues from D2 include but are not limited to: rigid class selection; point-and-click killing,;skills on both LMB and RMB rather than a larger skill bar; life globes, items of varying rarity; and repetition of the main game with stronger enemies.'

In that way, D2 is the main influence on D3.

However, if we lump all that in with 'gameplay', that leaves other areas. Let's see...

Audio: the music is very removed from D2's understated score. In fact, it sounds a lot more like...World of Warcraft.

Visuals: oh, do we even have to go there?

the 'meta-game': that's what we've been discussing, and it's clearly a result of WoW's success with an auction house -- and current players' demands for such.

Skillsets: I think it's hard to deny that what started as an open-ended skill set up has devolved into a hierarchical system that resembles WoW's far more than D2's. At least D2 gave you three trees to explore; at least three different builds per class, even if you didn't experiment all that much...

chat/interface: the scrapping of the old Battle.net really began with Warcraft 3, and no one from Bnet 1 liked it much at all. I've heard that Bnet 2.0 is pretty atrocious for Diablo players, but I'll leave that up to you to test, discover and prove/disprove. Either way, that too is a result of WoW rather than D2.

So yeah, gameplay wise, D3 is D2 all over again. But once you scratch the surface, it's basically Diablo as envisioned by the makers of WoW.

...and to say that Blzizard's most successful fantasy game (arguably the most successful game in history) won't be the primary cue for their next fantasy game is...what did you call it?...nonsense.

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Tagek wrote:

Also, to cr4shtest.

You are a typical example of what I would say is someone who is disappointed with D3, and then goes and looks at things like the company who made the game rather than just saying 'Hmm, maybe this game just isn't for me.'

You don't like d3, so you're getting mad at a company doing business. That's your right, but it makes no difference for you, or anyone else. If you want to be mad at a company, go take a look at pharmaceutical companies.
Blizzard's products are the definition of optional, so if you don't like the product or the company, don't buy their stuff. Period.


Seriously though, that comic actually kind of makes me mad.
It implies that, just because you don't like the game, the game is suddenly a bad product.
This is obviously one of the highest forms of stupidity and ignorance, and really has no place in any sort of discussion other than one filled with trolls anyway.