Time Capsule from PoE Closed Beta -- a classic PoE vs D3 thread circa 2012
" 1. "Horrible" "Bulky" "Washed out colors" is all words I'd use to describe how PoE looks like visually. There is no inspiration or unique vision (or cohesiveness) to the art style of PoE. It's all sort of uninspired drabs of grey/browns with a few dark, hard to navigate dungeons thrown in. The art is beautiful for Diablo 3. Blizzard has a master team of artists. They know what they are doing. Anyone who knows anything about color and art can see that. It might not be your cup of tea, but calling them what you did is just ridiculous. 2. While you are right that everyone gets all the skills (tools) upon hitting the cap level 60... to say there is less customization then diablo 2 is crazy. You basically had 2 options in Diablo 2. First, you follow a guide online to spec your stats exactly and your points exactly to get a desired build or you winged it and made a broken character. This isn't customization. You are jumping to conclusions really. Blizzard does not what people constantly switching skills. They do what people to build a set of 6 abilities that work well and have people stick to them. Likely a sense of permanency with skills will come with +skill item affixes. They also have other soft systems in place to get you to stick to a build in late game (where it counts) 3. I already addressed this in my previous paragraph. They cut stat allocation because it was an illusion of choice. You either speced your points like everyone else or you created a broken character. Now, you can modify your stats with items. 4. I don't understand your point here. How will the RMAH (as opposed to people trading the items) make anyone OP? There's more to PvP then just having good items. You also need good skill selection and passive selections. Good tactics in the arena too. Lets not forget Diablo 3 is primarily a PvE game. Blizzard has made it clear they DO NOT want PvP to be competitive or become an E-sport. I don't see an issue here. 5. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Have you even played the beta? have you seen any footage of later acts thats available? Dungeons with massive blood pools everywhere, people lynched from trees, towns folk impaled in dungeon walls, town folk bursting into zombies etc etc etc. There is TONS of mood and atmosphere in Diablo 3. Take a look at Cathedral levels 1 through 4 from the beta, there's your gothic architecture there. Where's the dark gothic feel and mass amounts of gore in PoE? my time with it has shown me none... “God put me on this earth to accomplish a certain number of things. Right now I'm so far behind that I will never die.”
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I'll be playing both games. Diablo 3 is one of those games that everyone on my friends list on steam, aim, etc are going to end up playing. No one that I know cares how 'dumbed down' it is, it'll be fun anyway. It may not last as long as Diablo 2 has, or maybe it will. Only time can tell.
Then on the other hand PoE caught my attention late last year. I've been lurking here for a while, and I'm impressed with what I've seen so far. Since it's f2p there's no reason not to try it when it releases sometime this summer. I'll mostly play D3 for the story, and see where Blizzard takes that, but as for PoE I'll be playing this game for the intricate skill system. It should be interesting to see how many viable and effective builds you can create with the skill gems and gargantuan passive skill tree. Just like every other ARPG, over time there will probably end up being those min/max builds that everyone plays for efficiency... (in both d3 and PoE) /shrug Also waiting for Guild Wars 2, Firefall, Max Payne 3, GTA V, Far Cry 3, Risen 2, Hitman: Absolution... and quite a few other good games later this year. Should be a good year for gamers. :) Last edited by Ohpz#2890 on Apr 9, 2012, 4:31:52 AM
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Charan, thank you. You have essentially expressed my exact feelings throughout this discussion.
I followed Diablo 3 rabidly for several years and was very excited about what was to come. I received a Beta key during Patch 7 and, while there were already some aspects that I was less than ecstatic about, I managed to enjoy the game. I was fairly active on the forums there; sharing my impressions and offering suggestions. Eventually - though I probably should have known it far sooner - I realized that Diablo 3 was NOT going to be what I had been expecting for the past 4 years. Not "bad", but not particularly what I want out of an *RPG*. I deleted my account after Patch 15 released. All the reasons for my decision to "let go" of Diablo 3 have already been discussed here at great length. But I would like to share what I feel was the critical factor. Basically, it is the lack of *true and meaningful* customization in Diablo 3. Let me try to explain what I mean using an analogy. (Metaphor? Allegory? Never could quite keep those straight.) Say that we both own the same car. Same make, model, year, trim level, color...everything. Yet you choose to listen to a Country station on the radio and I listen to Rock. Does that really mean that we have different cars? EDIT: Since this may not have been very clear; the car refers to the character class and the radio stations refer to the selected skills. It made sense to me, but then I came up with it, so I suppose it would. =P Diablo 3 promised us a nearly infinite variety of builds. What we are getting is a total of five BUILDS with a nearly infinite variety of SKILL SET-UPS. Not to mention limitations on things that might actually define a build (melee Wizard, summoner Witch Doctor, etc.). I will say that Diablo 3 is very likely going to be the "King of Loot". And it has to be, because Activizard (my personal moniker for them) has placed all their eggs into that one, lonely basket. Gear is how you will alter your base statistics. Gear is, apparently, how you will modify your skills. And gear is, naturally, how you will differentiate your character visually. Gear is, in short, the only remaining way to *meaningfully* customize your character. Again, putting Cleave on left click instead of right click and Jump on right click instead of #2 does not equal customization...at least in my mind. Likewise, choosing Cleave over Bash is not a meaningful difference to me when I can change it at a whim with only minor repercussions (like changing the radio station, but having to listen to the static in between). Diablo 3 has its place, and I will likely end up playing it at some point, if only to experience the story. But for the thrill of building a new character from scratch, and making it my OWN, I will have to look elsewhere. Path of Exile seems like an excellent place to start. Last edited by Ryukagesan#3897 on Apr 9, 2012, 4:56:11 AM
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How I wished POE gameplay will look this good.
http://www.ign.com/videos/2012/04/09/diablo-iii-barbarian-spotlight-video |
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" THANK YOU! God, it's not that hard people. EDIT: I'd like to reply to a few more posts, but since I have a poor understanding of how this forum's quoting system works and they don't allow more than 3 imbedded quotes I just CBA right now. ''Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters. The silence is your answer.'' IGN: Vaeralyse Last edited by Tagek#6585 on Apr 9, 2012, 6:01:38 AM
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EDIT: @Forum mods, please just read my post below this one.
''Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters. The silence is your answer.'' IGN: Vaeralyse Last edited by Tagek#6585 on Apr 9, 2012, 6:05:33 AM
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" Nice post +1 :) u explain with a very good & smart way what every1 else say but some "blind Bliz fan boys" cant understand and try to defend Blizz in any way, and that is that D3 have no customization no char builds and nothing to individualize your self from the pack, what items u wear is not customization/char build, what skill u choose to use for the time being is not customization/char build. 1st of all a char build must be permanent in order to be worth looking & research for only that way will be something special something that will keep your interest because when u finish it, it will be something u thought your self, and that will make it "YOURS/MY" build. 2nd u must have a vast selections of open paths to choose from & the game must give u the option to move freely and go in any direction u want, that way cookie cutter builds will be avoided and be much less possible to exist between players, unless ofc some1 post his build somewhere and ppl start copy it, there is no way to avoid that. D3 follow exactly the opposite path of what define a char build, they remove all the options we have in D2 to choose something for ourselves and create a char the way we want him to be, some ppl try to argue about that saying that most ppl went for some specific cookie cutter builds, those arguments have no meaning at all because Blizz could make a more complex system to avoid something like this, at least as much as possible, and in the end I prefer to have the option to create a char build similar with some1's else than not have a build at all. Blizz choose to go the other way around they scrap completely the idea of a system with specific char builds remove stats points, remove skills points, gave free re-specs to all, auto-stats increase at lvl up and the only think that left for us to do is to choose our items and to choose what animation we prefer more from our pre-existing skills... Blizz want it all to be gear-depended in order to make money from the RMAH now if some ppl cant understand that then I cant do anything to change that, I cant make blind kids to see, I am not Jesus. Last edited by rpgmaniac#3062 on Apr 9, 2012, 6:14:42 AM
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" Seriously can a forum mod PLEASE give this guy at least a warning, he keeps entering threads and filling them with his religious (trolling) nonsense, it's ruining the nature of this thread. ''Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters.
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" Like someone has posted before, there will be + skill affixes on items, and voila, there's your build permanency. After all, who would switch cleave for bash when your cleave does twice the damage with your current gear. Ultimately any form of character uniqueness is an illusion, as tons of people will have the exact same build. Perhaps this illusion is enough to float your boat (it was pretty good in d2) but it's still an illusion nonetheless. This is ofcourse less the case when you are referring to 'fun but crap' builds like charan has described, but the point still stands there. ''Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters. The silence is your answer.'' IGN: Vaeralyse Last edited by Tagek#6585 on Apr 9, 2012, 6:12:10 AM
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