Time Capsule from PoE Closed Beta -- a classic PoE vs D3 thread circa 2012

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Disillusioned wrote:

I think it can be explained in terms of, "What 1998 Blizzard wanted to do in comparison with 2012 Blizzard."

Diablo III is more of an "epic" game than the others. The musical score goes to emphasize that the fate of mankind rests on your shoulders pretty much. Diablo 1 was not supposed to be an epic tale of adventures throughout lands. It was simply you and that damn Cathedral. The more you went beneath and found out, the more Cain showed knowledge, the more this entire plot began to unravel before you and it became evidently clear to what you were dealing with. What may have began as low-level demons and corrupted animals and undead had you go into the heart of Hell itself to slay the Devil.

The music in D1 pretty much made everything sound mysterious/cryptic. Actually, even how the way you'd move with simply a shield raised and sword poised made it seem that the darkest corners of these labyrinths could hide anything in them. A lot of the music tells a story in itself if you think about it:

Cathedral - Foreboding, ominous, yet strangely inviting. Nothing is clear to you, it is all up in mist and whatever is behind the doorway could be empty or could be your doom. The end of the track has a very rare sense of peace to it, as if deceiving the adventurer that the worst has passed you by.

Catacombs - Completely cryptic and the "screams" from children made it seem there was a lot more sinister work here. You begin to doubt if this is the end? What church could possibly extend beyond catacombs? The entire atmosphere is told in the music: cold, dark, and that each level you descend draws you closer to your demise.

Caves - This is where you realize that this is not a typical dungeon-crawling clean up. Now you're in these hellish caves, you don't have skeletons or zombies any more but facing off against higher ranks of demons. The electric guitar is pretty much a warning to not go any further, the slowed down and deepened voices play on your nerves but you're strangely compelled to go down further.

Hell - The only way to sum this up is: you're marching to an inevitable fate. The very end of this song has this unsettling loop which all but screams, "you're not going to leave here as you came in."

Wow. Yes. Now I want to rush home and listen to it. Maybe I have the soundtrack in my car...maybe...

That's a blazingly good summary of the D1 music.

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alcovitch wrote:

I called you nitpicky. I call it like I see it. You fuss so much over minute details that you can't see the forest through the trees.

If you don't want others "piggy backing" on your posts, take it to private messages? If you're going to post a reply in a forum, expect others, even those you aren't directly addressing, to respond. We don't have to earn the ability to pitch in. It's a forum. Sorry, but your response just seemed... entitled.

Honestly, some of you are willing to accept Angels, Demons, humans who can raise the dead, command elements, call forth ancestors & mythical blue hammers of smashing to throwing exploding corpses and summoning giant church bells and frogs. But when someone shoots, in rapid succession, demon infused ammunition with demon infused cross bows, all of a sudden it infringes on "suspension of disbelief"?

Everyone here is aware you can build Demon Hunters with bows, right?

Firstly, that's okay. I said I wouldn't be insulted. I'm not.

I hope I don't regret this. We'll see.

Oh, you threw an analogy at me. Oopsadaisy...you see, I tend to become analytical *only if* the forest is somehow displeasing to me. Allow me to return to a former title mentioned, "Equilibrium". Different medium, similar issue re the Rule of Cool. I didn't nitpick Equilibrium because I really enjoyed the overall product. The forest, as it were, was full of flawed trees but they worked okay together. Plenty of people agree. Quite a few don't. That's not really relevant. I saw the forest, I liked it, I excused the trees. With Diablo 3, I really liked the forest I first saw, but then it started to change. Blizzard, as it were, started to chop down the trees to change its shape. How could we not notice that? Why should we not analyse that? We would, after all, be spending a long time playing in that forest. If some of the trees stood out as unpleasant or even as a detraction from our game, I feel that very much needs consideration.

...People really don't learn when I say 'don't throw analogies at me', do they? I *will* throw it back, and it will be bigger, harder and much less disposable. Just don't do it. Seriously.

Re: replies. I considered it but this is first-and-foremost a group discussion, a forum, as you said. It's not a one-on-one conversation. However, occasionally even in the most controlled of group discussions, there are brief break-offs as one segment of the group or another digs a bit deeper. I see nothing wrong with that provided that break-off group returns to the body, perhaps enriched by what was discussed. Speaking of disgust, I was very displeased by some of what I saw on the pages between one of my posts and the next. This is why I suggested my response was for Tagek, who at least makes an effort to provide a different voice in this discussion. I'm sorry but some of the others had not. It was borderline trolling and piss-matching, and I've no time for that.

If my desire to be selective based on experience is entitled, so be it.

Your last paragraph has been addressed sufficiently in the last few pages.

And finally, I hope you will be appreciative of the fact that I am wary of anyone who was involved in the now-thankfully closed matter of Newtype's plagiarism and trolling on that other board. I saw your name in that thread a few times and remain...guarded that such a presence might indicate you are not here merely to discuss Diablo 3, Path of Exile and other ARPGs civilly. Sorry about that.

...When you say you could -not- care less about anything, especially when you're in a forum...you're sort of making yourself a target. Because it's not true. And I called you on that, as did others. You haven't recanted it, so I'm curious why you're still here. Either you don't care, in which case, cya, or you do, in which case, welcome to the discussion, we invite your opinions.

It really does seem to me you're taking this personally. Until I can ascertain that you're not, I'm wary of engaging you on the topic at hand. It's just not worth the risk. I am sorry. I just don't think you understand what this thread is about or how it's being collectively played out.

Again, I'm sorry. I just don't get a vibe of constructive, amiable contribution from the tone of your posts so far.

I'm always willing to be proven wrong.

Also, rpgfiend, going through your posting history (which thankfully extends beyond this thread!), I see you were asking for a beta key for a while, and quite eagerly waiting.

Now that you can get one for $10, why have you not? Just curious.

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rpgfiend wrote:

Seriously,out of all my comments related to this game or whatever,why has only one person actually made a comment in relation to my opinion about PoE vs. D3?Why are you all criticizing the way I delivered my opinion or what my feelings are or whatever?Wtf.

Please stop trying to steer this topic into being about you. I only intend to reply to you this once and likely ignore the rest of what you type unless there is more substance to the topic that is being discussed here.