Since GGG forced lab down our throats, how about some protection from lab carries that quit or die?

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MimSiE wrote:

On a separate note, how's Lab for Summoners these days? I never could quite do Merc Lab as pure Summoner, let alone Uber.

For most Summoner builds is very easy because you play Mind Over Matter. Solar Guard has insane damage with little investment, same with SRS at early levels and even Skeletons.

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decayedCell wrote:

I have just checked your build. It is absolutely atrocious. Try to look up a guide and do a new one and trust me you'll have no problems with lab.

The build I was using is RaizQTs auto bomber. Rofl guy

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Xtorma wrote:

here ya go

as·ser·tion
[əˈsərSH(ə)n]

NOUN
a confident and forceful statement of fact or belief.

Yes, an assertion is exactly what the op was. A forceful statement of fact or belief.

I apologize for being incorrect about it being the largest thread, but it's a little different from the other two threads linked because those were potentially affecting the entire community in a very constant, negative way.

The difference with lab is it's a specific piece of content that you only have to do once per league. And most people will just pay for it. The people being payed will obviously be less invested in changing the system and so won't comment, but not because the content is good for poe... it's just good for them.

In terms of the scale of hate for a single piece of game content, it is a staggeringly large outcry of negative feedback. I have no idea why the goddess sword thread is so large, but iirc part of it was because people were still trying to figure out some mystery they had to solve.

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nooooodles wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

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nooooodles wrote:

Organic skill based progression has everything to do with the lab.

The lab is a feature of skill based progression, instead of grinding out xp, the barrier for entry is skill. A lot of people's favorite part of the game, actually.

So balancing the game so everyone can ascend as a high skill character is a little against what makes the game unique in the first place.

You are speaking about stuff in your last sentence that makes little sense to this conversation, at least from what I can tell.

The trap gauntlets are a different kind of game play from the rest of the game. It is the most loathsome part of the game for many people. Here's a list of over 410 threads like this one here in the Feedback and Suggestions forum where over 1010 accounts have voiced the fact that they think the lab should be changed or the ascendancy points be made available a different way.

Over 410 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1010 posters in support

Great, it's working as it was designed. You do not get to ascend in a skill based game unless you have the required skill. Not every class is going to be as easy as Marauder. Dumbing the lab down so everyone can make it through with the hard classes is wrong.


Practice with an easier class, then try again.

Your "dumbing the lab down" comment is irrelevant BS. I didn't ask for that.

You are not really making sense. It seems in your assertion about ascending in a skill based game and your reference to marauder you are somehow trying to resurrect the nonsense about labyrinth being some kind of filter for blocking glass cannons from progress. I guess I didn't get through? I'll try again.

It is really not hard to get a glass cannon through the labyrinth if one is very skilled at trap gauntlets. Izaro does a much better job at filtering out glass cannons but he's really just a regular boss with no special glass cannon filtering abilities compared to many other bosses. You were flat out wrong to attribute glass cannon filtering magic to labyrinth. Please better explain how this could possibly work or give up on that idea.

Skill in traversing trap gauntlets has little to do with skill in the rest of the game. Being good at the rest of the game does not mean that you'll be good at trap gauntlets or even vice versa. They are different skills, related yes but still different enough that one doesn't really help out with the other. What I mean is that we are all expert at regular PoE game play. That is the game we all love after all. The trap gauntlets require practice on top of that to learn and become expert at. Now I don't claim to be an expert at labyrinth. I find it boring not fun and so avoid it. I don't want to put in the practice to be an expert at it.

So, if you think you telling me to practice running crap loathsome content that I hate just so I can become an expert at it is a smart thing to say then sorry, you are not as smart as you think you are.

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Fruz wrote:

Aaaaand we're back to the crapy fallacious argument @「lab is a different kind of game」.
*sigh*
Traps are in some maps too, in some incursions/temple as well, they are part of the game, and that's a simple fact.

Deal with it.

I am dealing with it. You are the one that can't deal with the reality of the situation that many people don't like the labyrinth. Why don't they like it? You don't want to believe my explanation, fine, then continue failing to deal with it.

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Legatus1982 wrote:

I apologize for being incorrect about it being the largest thread, but it's a little different from the other two threads linked because those were potentially affecting the entire community in a very constant, negative way.

The threads longer than the thread you were referring to, SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas], were not in the Feedback and Suggestions forum. The point I think you were trying to make was that many more people don't like labyrinth than any other part of PoE. For support of that assertion, threads in this Feedback and Suggestions forum are much more relevant than some general thread about loot drops or anything else in another forum.

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Xtorma wrote:

I don't think the lab crusade has ever really been about whether or not it can be done, but more about not wanting to. Their argument is that they don't like it and want to be able to skip it and still get the rewards.

Correct although I would be happy if GGG did away with ascendancy points if they got rid of the labyrinth. From my own selfish point of view, the game is really not better now than it was before labyrinth was introduced. Even with all of the other improvements made after labyrinth content has detracted from all of that.

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Xtorma wrote:

I used to say the same thing about act4. I hate. it, I loathe the belly part. I just want to skip it all, but still get all the rewards and be able to progress. The crusade would attack me and demand I leave their threads, because I was off topic, or whatever. I am like wait bros! I want the exact same thing you do, just in a different part of the game. We are brothers in tears! Support me!
LoL.

This was likely meant a bit tongue-in-cheek. I did enjoy it from that perspective.

A serious response though, act4 is my least favorite act so I do sympathize. It seems the act most likely where I have to back track from dead ends and the monsters appearing out from under the wall after clearing an area is an annoyance. If you want to get act4 changed then the way to do it is to discuss it in a separate thread that is just about act4.

I said practice with another class until you have the skill required to complete the lab. I understand you want the points, but the core of the acendencies is skill based progression.

HC might help to instill some of the survival mindset needed to ascend in the higher skill classes, otherwise, start with an easier class and work your way up.

Oh I have no problem with many disliking the lab really.
A few people being just obnoxious and polluting the forum with their relentless posts about lab ? That is a whole different matter entirely.

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legatus1982 wrote:

And most people will just pay for it.

Statement pulled out of you arse, AGAIN.

So you suck at the lab => it has to mean that most other people suck there too, you can't be that bad, right ?
You are, get real.

What the hell did I just read, seriously .... like wtf
/facepalm

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nooooodles wrote:

I said practice with another class until you have the skill required to complete the lab. I understand you want the points, but the core of the acendencies is skill based progression.

HC might help to instill some of the survival mindset needed to ascend in the higher skill classes, otherwise, start with an easier class and work your way up.

I don’t use carries. I don’t need to practice. The opening poster would apparently rather buy carries.