Hate this fuckin Uberlab

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Fruz wrote:

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No, lab is pretty much fine as it is, it has been improved quite a bit and it's likely not going to change (it does not need to).

It's fine that certain archetypes have an easier time in it,each archetype has weak/strong points.
Not all content need to provide a completely equivalent challenge for all kind of builds, at all (otherwise the game would be really boring).

It would not be fine if it was tremendously difficult, so that only juggs could do it ... which is very far from being the case (of course, ignorant/inexperienced people might call it too difficult an unfair for other types of builds, but it really isn't).

Should we complain about abysses because the dmg there is mostly physical, and that it's unfair to non juggernaut builds ??
No, that's just one piece of content that happens to be easier for people stacking physical mitigations, and there is absolutely no problem with that.

"Lab" is still not a pleasant experience for those players that do have to finish completely all the sequence of areas for the reward, and even rushing those it still implies a longer time spent dealing with that content than anything else in the game - which is not bad, it's just that some people have their reasons for choosing "softcore" instead of "hardcore" in an ALWAYS ONLINE game with a high sensitivity regarding the connection to the Internet, so a middle ground like still keeping the same "run" restartable at the Aspirant trials, for a few more times (with an Offering cost for "Uber Lab") would simply render most legitimate complains to rest.

It's not impossible to succeed in "Lab" with any kind of build, and due to PoE encouraging the "kill to not be killed" mantra, I'm certain that "Uber Lab" can be completed by a EZ CI character, no matter the trap sequence or Izaro's attributes.

The fun thing is you can ALWAYS dodge/evade those physical damage abyss monsters, but you can't do so with traps in "Lab", so there is a severe disadvantage towards the dodge/evasion builds that might rely on those kind of defenses to survive, and they do surprisingly well through the rest of the game...

And as I said, I don't mind Juggernauts having it so easy that it trivializes "Lab/Uber Lab", but that the other 2 archetypes of defensive mechanics aka evasion (even supplemented by dodge) and ES have a more difficult time without a comparable content where those would "shine", so "Lab" would be perfectly fine with the current "balance"...

As it currently stands, it leaves a lot to be desired, and should be improved...

A good half of what you said is irrelevant to what you quoted.

That said :
- you can dodge darts in lab
- I'm pretty sure you can't avoid damage with the "dodge" and "evasion" stats against those physical degen ground effects ( that look like bonespire talismant a little bit ) in abysses.
- If you think that CI is the "EZ" way to beat the game at the moment, you're about 2 years late on the game content and you should probably update yourself if you want to have a relevant opinion regarding balance and stuff.
- if you go Occultist, ES is amazing in lab
- Evasion is pretty damn good against Izaro, but as always ... well I'm no going to start all over again the "how-to-build-a-character" discussion here. And people that think that evasion/dodge is week and nobody use it ... are very uninformed.



Lab is pretty much fine now, deal with it.

Problems wtih the uberlab:

Every build cant do HOGM or Uber Atziri. But you dont have to do it with all the characters. Or even you dont have to complete it with any of your characters. There is no necessity. But uber lab has necessity while is hard for some builds. It's a burden.
Like most of the masters. Elreon, Caterina, Haku. They are boring as hell but you have to do it.

Although is soloable for almost all 90+ level characters, it's ultra-boring for most of the players. It's meant to be focuses on playing ability but its not like that.

My advice:
Uber labs must remain as it is. For the sake of lovers and weekly ranking things.. Just remove ascendancy from it and keep helm enchants with it. (Helm enchants are good to have but not necessary.)

Give ascendancy points to characters at 30, 60, 75 and 85th levels.

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pphnx wrote:

Although is soloable for almost all 90+ level characters, it's ultra-boring for most of the players.

Ok, first of all, you have no idea about that, no data, nothing.
You are not "most of the players".
Second, all well built characters can solo the uber lab.
It's a test, it's a freaking test, and if you don't pass it, you don't deserver the two last ascendancy points, period ( and yes, somewhat gated behind a grind for the uberlab, that's the way of PoE kind of ).

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Fruz wrote:

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pphnx wrote:

Although is soloable for almost all 90+ level characters, it's ultra-boring for most of the players.

Ok, first of all, you have no idea about that, no data, nothing.
You are not "most of the players".
Second, all well built characters can solo the uber lab.
It's a test, it's a freaking test, and if you don't pass it, you don't deserver the two last ascendancy points, period ( and yes, somewhat gated behind a grind for the uberlab, that's the way of PoE kind of ).

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@to the people who are potentially patheticly going to bring "it's not a test, you can pay a carry DUH!" :
GGG has been as far as they were willing to go with a "you can't just faceroll everything while being half asleep with your brain half disconnected" kind of content.

Yeah test that is so easy and safe for jugss but not so easy and safe for assasins at certain level?

It's testing for what?

Mapping? Nah. There so many builds can do more efficient mapping than juggs having harder time than jusggs in uber lab.

Boss killing? Totem, trap or minion builds can outlevel juggs in single target but having harder time than juggs in uber lab.

Uber Lab is just testing player's sanity and patience.

Builds all have their pros and cons, thank you Sherlock.
You just started understanding the first element of build diversity.


PS: You don't really need to be patient in the lab (unless you are bad at it, of course).

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Fruz wrote:

Lab is pretty much fine now, deal with it.

Says who? Some random schmuck on the internet. See, lets do the reverse.

Lab is broken, unfun and not needed, deal with it.

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Johny_Snow wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

Lab is pretty much fine now, deal with it.

Says who? Some random schmuck on the internet. See, lets do the reverse.

Lab is broken, unfun and not needed, deal with it.

It's definitely not broken, so it does in fact look like you're the one that has to deal with it. :)

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Fruz wrote:

Builds all have their pros and cons, thank you Sherlock.
You just started understanding the first element of build diversity.


PS: You don't really need to be patient in the lab (unless you are bad at it, of course).

I'm not talking about the patience and timing in the traps.

I'm talking about the patience wtih the boredom of labs. Patience that you must have when you find a wrong exit, fucking sideways instead of aspirant trial.

Playing ability to dodge traps shows NOTHING in this game.

A player can complete the lab without taking a single trap damage. But it doesnt show that he can dodge orbs in the lair of hydra or shaper attacks or any boss attack in the maps. They are completely different things.

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Shovelcut wrote:

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Johny_Snow wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

Lab is pretty much fine now, deal with it.

Says who? Some random schmuck on the internet. See, lets do the reverse.

Lab is broken, unfun and not needed, deal with it.

It's definitely not broken, so it does in fact look like you're the one that has to deal with it. :)

Your definition of whats broken is apparently different from mine.