Hate this fuckin Uberlab

To me, lab is a means to an end.. I do lab for the ascension points and never go back to it. I dislike trap evasion, not that I can't do it, i just don't like that play style. Didn't even like the prospect of labs when the Ascension expansion was released. But gatta deal with it for the power boost it gives.

I ve a season character Lab and Trials
I think the Uber One is quite boring and too much of a platform game (i dislike)
though waiting for changes too

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Pyrokar wrote:

Lets all stick our heads in the sand and join GGG!

Or just quit the game, like I did.

I don't have a problem with the lab itself, it's different and I find that interesting. The problem I have is with damn uber trials that never seem to pop up, and if one does, never the right one.

I've quit the game now because there's just too much idiocy, but I've played two character to the mid-80s, have completed over half of yellow tier maps, and I've got 3 trials ticked off.

Unfortunately the most important design philosophy in GGG is that everything (okay, almost everything) has to have some Great Filter (or several in the case of delve). It's probably why I quite like the story part actually. None of that bullshit there. You play the game and progress, and that's that. No need to get 6 six-eyes dice to access Act 3, or to find the boss in the Belly of the Beast. You run the content, and that's that. Move on to the next act.

Unfortunately you then run into the above-mentioned design philosophy, and the game turns from fun entertainment to soulcrushingly boring grind, with slow progress and few if any rewards.

So I've decided to step away from the trainwreck and do something else.

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Turtledove wrote:

turd

Exactly as expected from Turdlover.

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Peterlerock wrote:

I used to hate the Lab's design until I built a Jugg the first time. Not really a "dedicated Lab farmer" (I'm not into endless repetition of the same content), but with lots of armor, charges, health regen, you'll always be well prepared for Labs and Trials.

So:
Select a Marauder.
Select Juggernaut class in the first Lab.
Take Unflinching (you always have all Endurance charges).
Next Lab is already a cakewalk, take Unbreakable (prevented damage is regened back to you as life). This plus CWDT - Immortal Call turn Mercilab and Uber Lab into easy mode. You basically cannot die in Lab anymore.

...and then go explore. Spend some time in there. Full clear it.

There are so many great ideas in the Lab. Hidden rooms, riddles and puzzles, leading to keys, treasure, shrines, chests etc.

They put a lot of love into it, it's a shame so many players just rush through it, missing all the nice little things along the path.

Meh, "Lab" should actually be a random layout for each try when "ascending". That would actually give it some purpose (so players actually "experience" it at least 3/4 times).

And having the run with checkpoints at each "Aspirant's Trial" would improve the experience a lot, especially regarding the random disconnects.

For "Uber Lab", have those checkpoints require 1 Offering for first trial, and 2 for the second one, with a maximum of 3-5 resets per run. There, that would instantly address Offering prices and make them sought after, so you will always tend to run the "Uber" trials, as they will be more useful.

But we're talking about TencentGGG, and their "balance" and "improvement" regarding the "Labyrinth" experience which is even more abysmal than their recent rework of Static Strike. They will always come with a nice idea, and miss the "perfect" mark regarding their implementation...

So don't get you hopes up, and always expect the worse, so you won't be that bothered WHEN things go sideways - yes, TencentGGG made sure that I will always use WHEN instead of IF a long time ago when they thought they "balance" PoE "the right way"...

PS: Pigeon holing players into a class instead of a playstyle is a design problem, and although I enjoy my "immortal" tanks there, I would prefer that there wasn't such a rift between them and other various builds, not to mention that I would still like some adjustments regarding minimal damage thresholds for "Uber" where RT melee characters are at a severe disadvantage next to those that go Crit, and lets not even mention the other playstyles...

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sofocle10000 wrote:

PS: Pigeon holing players into a class instead of a playstyle is a design problem

"Pigeon holing"?

What I meant to say is that it really helped me like Lab more when I explored it with a Jugg. Due to his natural tankiness against traps (Dots, physical damage) I learned how to deal with them on other chars, they don't frighten me anymore.

Same as I learned to swim in shallow water.

But this doesn't mean that players are somehow forced to choose this class to play/beat/farm/enjoy Lab.

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Shovelcut wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

More total nonsense, okay here's the data that in your opinion proves he's a noob. He joined PoE in 2012 and we know he was actively playing a year ago. Let's look at some more of the data like you say. Hmmm he has 8 characters level 80 to 89, 6 characters in the 90's. There's a level 76 SSF Hardcore character also. You think that data proves he's a noob!!

Perhaps I missed the data that proves he's a noob. Maybe some flask setup on a character that you don't like? Sorry, Shovelcut nonsense proven once again.

Ugh, I already know it's pointless but...

The only thing we've proven here is that you're missing the obvious. Go back and look deeper because I told you what data proves that your opinion is misinformed.

I looked at the data. You're apparently the only person here that still thinks that the OP is a noob. The onus is on you to point out the hidden data proving he's a noob.

This is eerily like the discussion of your assertion that the list of now over 1000 accounts could really represent only a handful of people because maybe me or someone else made many hundreds of alt accounts. You maintained this insane completely unfounded assertion for over a dozen pages until you finally admitted, IIRC, that you didn't really believe that nonsense yourself. You were just hung up on the word "proves". I notice you use the offending word above. [Removed by Support]

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DivineChampion wrote:

You can study lab mechanics in lvl 33 lab until you learn them and be able to run any lab.

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huetzer wrote:

ty GGG

Blaming GGG for you being newb is stupid.

Lol what a silly comment.

First, yea that sounds really fun im sure people enjoy that, second, silly troll calling him both newb and stupid.

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Turtledove wrote:

I looked at the data. You're apparently the only person here that still thinks that the OP is a noob. The onus is on you to point out the hidden data proving he's a noob.

No it's pretty obvious you didn't. It's like you were handed a 10 page report and you looked at page one and said "nope, nothing here".

For one, I never called anyone a noob. You said that the join dates showed DivineChampion was the noob. Now, since you have to have everything spelled out for you like a 5 year old how about you go compare their achievements in the game and then come back and tell me which one likely knows more about the game.

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Turtledove wrote:

This is eerily like the discussion of your assertion that the list of now over 1000 accounts could really represent only a handful of people because maybe me or someone else made many hundreds of alt accounts. You maintained this insane completely unfounded assertion for over a dozen pages until you finally admitted, IIRC, that you didn't really believe that nonsense yourself. You were just hung up on the word "proves". I notice you use the offending word above. [Removed by Support]

Yeah, it really is because you're still twisting my words to mean what you want them to mean. You'd think that after being told I never made those claims multiple times it would eventually sink in but here you are 2 years later still acting like I'm the one that made those claims when you know damn well I didn't. In fact, through PM, I was actively helping you prove the opposite. But you still gotta try and make me look bad publicly because that's all you can do. It's sad really, and extremely dishonest of you.

Here's the first PM I sent you regarding others claims that there were only 10 people whining about the laby.