Leveling new characters is unbearable aids - rant

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Fruz wrote:

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Legatus1982 wrote:

But hey, who am I to judge

Somebody whose paper PoE probably works for white normal maps, and who has no actual endgame experience with it ?

Yeah, except that I do have endgame experience with it, and it's exactly what I just fucking told you

Just one more time (one time should have been enough) :

- gems lvl 18
- character lvl 81

=> "Endgame experience"

nuf said, obviously.
And what you have been telling here really does not support your claim either, neither the OP to be honest, even though I agree with some of it.
I was just pointing out that what you are telling us about that character does not give your OP credibility imho, but we can just disagree.

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Fruz wrote:

Just one more time (one time should have been enough) :

- gems lvl 18
- character lvl 81

=> "Endgame experience"

nuf said, obviously.
And what you have been telling here really does not support your claim either, neither the OP to be honest, even though I agree with some of it.
I was just pointing out that what you are telling us about that character does not give your OP credibility imho, but we can just disagree.

Or maybe that I've played VS into the 90s tons of times in the past, I've got a 90 saboteur in this league who has done basically everything besides shaper (but could easily do it), and I know what the build is doing and what it's capabilities are

But no Fruz as usual you're the only person in POE who actually has ever played the game, and lightning coil is obviously the superior choice these days I mean everybody is using lightning coil right?

Oh wait no its selling for 1 alch so not quite. And having a character that's 80+ is pretty much endgame capable unless you're really needing some specific point for endgame maps so no that really doesn't fucking matter at all. That accounts for typically 1 or 2 life clusters and maybe 1 dps cluster tops, it's like 15% life tops and 10% dps tops. Nobody gives a shit what level it's at dude.

AND AGAIN YOU'RE STILL WAYYYYYYYYYYYY OFF TOPIC

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Fruz wrote:

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EnjoyTheJourney wrote:

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since you're going for 2 setups, why not Viper Strike for single target ... and another skill that actually clears well ?
could be BF, reave or many other skills.
Even spec throw.

If VS is only for single target then would I really be playing a melee poisoner?

I came from RPGs to ARPGs, so the kind of character being played matters to me.

As another data point, I used to play SSF hardcore poison dagger necros in D2. Hell difficulty wasn't easy, by any means. But, it was doable through liberal curse use, bone prisons, etc.

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EnjoyTheJourney wrote:

If VS is only for single target then would I really be playing a melee poisoner?

I came from RPGs to ARPGs, so the kind of character being played matters to me.

As another data point, I used to play SSF hardcore poison dagger necros in D2. Hell difficulty wasn't easy, by any means. But, it was doable through liberal curse use, bone prisons, etc.

Well, you could flicker strike or reave ( without getting inc AOE if the range is too big for you ) for example.
I have a poisoning sunder build ( that was before the double dipping rework, it was based on Frostbreath and I'm honestly not completely sure if it would work with the new system, I guess it should tho .... idk. I stopped playing it after I ripped it at lvl 94 on a probably stupid mistake so I didn't give it much thought ).

I guess you could say that it's not really melee, you can rush in with shield charge and hit from there if you want tho, the multi-hit on mobs with the poinson is great to stack poison on the big rare in the pack.

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Legatus1982 wrote:

*random flamming and false claims*

Of course it does matter.
And no, you're trying to back up your OP saying that VP is shit against bosses (not only, but the OP is about bosses), taking your character as an example of course.
And if you think that there is no difference between lvl 81 and 90+, and that lvl 18 gems without quality are pretty much the same as lvl 20/21 + 20q gems .... well, you're very, very wrong lol.

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Fruz wrote:

Of course it does matter.
And no, you're trying to back up your OP saying that VP is shit against bosses (not only, but the OP is about bosses), taking your character as an example of course.
And if you think that there is no difference between lvl 81 and 90+, and that lvl 18 gems without quality are pretty much the same as lvl 20/21 + 20q gems .... well, you're very, very wrong lol.

Fucking no fruz, it doesn't. You play arc mines to 90, its blowing everything up all the time. You then play viper strike to 80 and realize it's about 1/10th as effective as arc mines at 80. So you know what VS is going to be like roughly at 90 and it's not great. This isn't a complicated fucking topic fruz, jesus christ.

VS IS SHIT. IT'S FUCKING SHIT. GET IT THROUGH YOUR GODDAMN HEAD

It's fine, I just linked a guy killing shaper in a not really slow pace with only VP in another page of this thread ( with videos, of course ).
I don't need to do anything to show that VP is not as bad as you think it is vs bosses :)).


And good job comparing the fotm broken skill (and its combo with traps) VS a single target melee namelocking skill hahaha.

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Fruz wrote:

It's fine, I just linked a guy killing shaper in a not really slow pace with only VP in another page of this thread ( with videos, of course ).
I don't need to do anything to show that VP is not as bad as you think it is vs bosses :)).


And good job comparing the fotm broken skill (and its combo with traps) VS a single target melee namelocking skill hahaha.

Level 95
<6k life
Fortify as only layer of defense

Sounds like a legit build to Fruz

And give us all a reason why we should not compare VS to arc mines? They are both skills used in the same game to clear the same content. The fact that you don't think they even compare is proof that VS is shit.

ITS SHIT FRUZ. SHIIIIIIIIIIIT

VS was mediocre even in the peak of the poison meta, the reason why people built around 2H to achieve reasonable results.

VS was "better" when it worked as decay, independent of base damage. Maybe it wasn't good enough nor meta, sure, but was unique and actually an interesting skill to work around.

Then it was reworked to fit the incoming changes to poison and the related meta. After meta schedule was over, the mechanic was killed with fire.

And now VS is a piece of shit. I agree with that.

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Legatus1982 wrote:

And give us all a reason why we should not compare VS to arc mines?

You are welcome to your your own brain to find that out, you are also welcome to read what I said, the reason was very obviously implied.

The rest is just irrelevant.

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Torturo wrote:

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It's clearly very weak compared to most skills for obvious reason, fortunately it can be used against bosses for people who really want to use it lol.

It's still working against act bosses tho of course :).