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But please NO exalted orbs (cause in SSF leagues there is just pure RNG to get one).
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Posted byTh69#3281on Jun 26, 2018, 8:41:08 AM
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So I reached 90 with a BF/Reave build, ran a bunch of stuff I was holding out on, and then restarted with an Arc Totem Hiero. It is hilarious.
I guess I would like to add to this discussion the fact that once you twink out your second character, the leveling process is basically limited only by time and runspeed. And it has its own particular flavor and attraction completely different from your first character.
On your first character you are doing Lab stuff and Masters and juggling currency and worrying more about gear and gems and just being more careful and particular overall.
Then that second character you are pants-on-fire blasting through the Acts. Which is actually kind of fun. Especially if you meta the second build.
Can I use meta as a verb? Screw you, I just did.
Now to continue this point, I think there is a reason that I occasionally take 2 characters a league to 90 but rarely do a third. Because leveling that third character has the exact same flavor overall as the second, even if the build is incredibly different.
TL:DR First character in a League can be boring/painful. Second can be fun/fast. Third goes back to boring again.
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Posted bySlaanesh69#4492on Jun 26, 2018, 10:00:58 AM
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The bullet hell attacks all those bosses are doing is indeed fucking lame.
Vaal oversoul was a good boss design, dominus too. Those new ones are pretty shit.
But POE is an arcade shooter with arpg elements now so I guess that explain everything.
This last one is from players, Imo player side it s also lame.
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https://youtu.be/Z6eg3aB_V1g?t=302 Last edited by Head_Less#6633 on Jun 26, 2018, 11:47:07 AM
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Posted byHead_Less#6633on Jun 26, 2018, 11:39:34 AM
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iolanthe wrote:
Legatus1982, the fact that you've been playing Path of Exile since Anarchy League or earlier leads me to believe that you're either a very slow learner (bless your soul) or you purchased your account from Ebay or something.
This is a pretty bad troll attempt otherwise.
https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-posts/Legatus1982/page/257#p4107936
Pretty sure it's the same poster from 2013.
It's ironic that you of all people linked that thread, of all threads.
Funny how in 2013 I was talking about the inherent flaws of evasion and lo and behold in 2018 those exact same flaws not only still exist, but are now multiplied in the form of even more phys spell and phys degen spam than we had before.
When I made that post it was just a general comment mostly about the poor design choices of having phys spells bypass evasion where every other form of damage is EHP'd in some way by the other 2 defensive layers.
Today it's even worse - ek mobs, bv mobs, and what the hell are those spinning traps mobs throw on the floor now? We also have daresso, fucking lab traps, several other places/bosses I'm forgetting
It's frankly just a fucking joke. Stuff like daresso's blades you literally cannot mitigate in any form with an evasion character - the method of mitigating these attacks through any method besides a granite (not guaranteed to have) for an evasion character does not exist, and if you have taken acrobatics even a granite is penalized. Life on that side of the tree isn't exactly plentiful either, so you're basically just fucked if you happen to have him spawn a blade on you and pass the evasion/dodge check on one of his regular attacks at the same time.
Back on topic though, the screen-clearing aoe aids the act 5-10 bosses are spamming are objectively more cancerous than even the ridiculous screen-wide malachai aoe spam we had in act 4.
my evasion is so high i only insta rip sometimes
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Bug Fixes:
People were using cyclone for actual melee builds, so we nerfed it and made blade vortex. Also, we went ahead and made cyclone great for CoC casters while we were at it. Last edited by Legatus1982#1658 on Jun 26, 2018, 8:26:23 PM
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Posted byLegatus1982#1658on Jun 26, 2018, 8:21:47 PM
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Legatus1982 wrote:
Look I'm sorry, I'm all for the design philosophy of rerolling characters when you want to do something completely different
The main problem I have with the leveling process is 2 things:
1. The act 5-10 bosses are completely fucking retarded. Every single one of the act bosses (as well as a ton of mini bosses) is aids and I have never enjoyed a single one of them. If they weren't act bosses I would skip them 100% of my playthroughs. I'm using twink leveling gear and overpowered leveling skills and still basically portal in front of the boss room and make sure I finish the nearest level-up because I 100% know my character will get killed by some retarded screen-covering aids bullshit
2. Still have to pay people to carry me through lab on builds that aren't specifically catered to completing lab, because of course character progression has to be tied to shit that non-meta builds cannot complete
If you people cannot balance the possible skill gems and builds properly so that they all can perform well in most content, then you need to put the aids bosses as optional content (IE MAPS) and make the act bosses and izaro baby-mode content that any build can complete. Not every fucking player in the game is playing fucking arc mines on every character
This is my 5th time now going through this shit so far this league and I'm REALLY fucking tired of dealing with these [Removed by Support]. If I was still playing hardcore I would probably just quit the fucking game at cesspool doedre or solaris + lunaris because there's no point in walking into that aids cancer ebola bullshit
/rant
Act 1-10 are a walk in the park...you only die to kitava (maybe). I actually expected a rant about how boring it is to go through act 1-10, because (especially with good gear) it's so easy. Sorry mate, but this is 100% on u, no doubt!
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Posted byAntigegner#0560on Jun 26, 2018, 9:31:43 PM
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On the contrary, everythings playable now. While i wouldn't build a melee splashing puncture character, which is what i would deem unplayable, the games general flow is well done for leveling.
You're either building meme characters or you don't use quicksilver flasks. Could also be a mixture of both. When in doubt, run 2 adrenaline flasks my boio.
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Posted byRusery#1862on Jun 26, 2018, 10:45:06 PM
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Legatus1982 wrote:
Look I'm sorry, I'm all for the design philosophy of rerolling characters when you want to do something completely different
The main problem I have with the leveling process is 2 things:
1. The act 5-10 bosses are completely fucking retarded. Every single one of the act bosses (as well as a ton of mini bosses) is aids and I have never enjoyed a single one of them. If they weren't act bosses I would skip them 100% of my playthroughs. I'm using twink leveling gear and overpowered leveling skills and still basically portal in front of the boss room and make sure I finish the nearest level-up because I 100% know my character will get killed by some retarded screen-covering aids bullshit
2. Still have to pay people to carry me through lab on builds that aren't specifically catered to completing lab, because of course character progression has to be tied to shit that non-meta builds cannot complete
If you people cannot balance the possible skill gems and builds properly so that they all can perform well in most content, then you need to put the aids bosses as optional content (IE MAPS) and make the act bosses and izaro baby-mode content that any build can complete. Not every fucking player in the game is playing fucking arc mines on every character
This is my 5th time now going through this shit so far this league and I'm REALLY fucking tired of dealing with these [Removed by Support]. If I was still playing hardcore I would probably just quit the fucking game at cesspool doedre or solaris + lunaris because there's no point in walking into that aids cancer ebola bullshit
/rant
Act 1-10 are a walk in the park...you only die to kitava (maybe). I actually expected a rant about how boring it is to go through act 1-10, because (especially with good gear) it's so easy. Sorry mate, but this is 100% on u, no doubt!
Problem is not being easy or hard. And it doenst matter if you die even 3-4 times at bosses. Problem is its too long. It takes too much time and whatever you build it's not fun afte some time.
Last time when I was leveling my necromancaer I used sunder and zombies linked together on tabula for fun.
zombie-sunder-added pyhs-added lightning-added fire-onslaught smt like this.
It was fun at the beginning but it was getting boring after act5-6....
Paying remarkable amount of currency(worth of ~2 exalts) to make 65-70 character with completed quests must be an option.
An average player like me can make 1 exalts a day with level 90'is character. So it will take same amount of time with leveling(no reduced play time) and you will play with your main character istead of leveling which is boring as hell.
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Posted bypphnx#3691on Jun 27, 2018, 4:38:32 AM
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鬼殺し wrote:
Not the way I used to play, but that was entirely my choice. I think your statement needs a little qualification -- if you play the game a certain way (whether deliberately or otherwise), acts 1-10 are a walk in the park. Try a multitude of other ways...not so much.
Once you get use to the bosses ( apart from stuff like the 2 cases I mention right after ), they are not that terrible to overcome anymore honestly.
Of course some flavour-of-the-month skill/builds can do it better than others but .... I'm pretty sure that you can go through the game "properly" pretty much with any skill.
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pphnx wrote:
Paying remarkable amount of currency(worth of ~2 exalts) to make 65-70 character with completed quests must be an option.
No.
And really good players reach maps in ... 6~7 hours or something like this ? I mean on a fresh character.
Maybe less ? I don't really know anymore, I might be understimating top players I guess.
And I'm pretty positive they can use most skills to do so. What they are picky about is setups to clear entire screens in the blink of an eye, not something that they need during leveling.
That's less than those 2 days that you're taking as an example, and it just shows that it can be done relatively quickly.
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Slaanesh69 wrote:
So I reached 90 with a BF/Reave build, ran a bunch of stuff I was holding out on, and then restarted with an Arc Totem Hiero. It is hilarious.
I guess I would like to add to this discussion the fact that once you twink out your second character, the leveling process is basically limited only by time and runspeed. And it has its own particular flavor and attraction completely different from your first character.
On your first character you are doing Lab stuff and Masters and juggling currency and worrying more about gear and gems and just being more careful and particular overall.
Then that second character you are pants-on-fire blasting through the Acts. Which is actually kind of fun. Especially if you meta the second build.
Can I use meta as a verb? Screw you, I just did.
Now to continue this point, I think there is a reason that I occasionally take 2 characters a league to 90 but rarely do a third. Because leveling that third character has the exact same flavor overall as the second, even if the build is incredibly different.
TL:DR First character in a League can be boring/painful. Second can be fun/fast. Third goes back to boring again.
Pretty much agree with this.
How fast you get bored now depends on the player of course.
Now, regarding the OP, the problem comes from the player imho.
Still :
- a6 boss's arena gets ridiculously small, and the visibility is messed up in this case, which I find really bad, I often portal out during that phase, just see the call .... portal out, come back ... wait for the arena to be "visible" again.
So for this one, I kind of agree.
- a10 boss, sometimes corners you with the too wide flameground that can just reach the edges and you have to either log out, portal if you can do it fast enough, or die. This boss should be hard as the last boss of the 10 acts .... but this part is still pretty bad I think.
The rest of the boss .... Gruthkul ( is that the correct spelling ? lol ) and Yugul can be done later one so that's quite fine.
Regarding lab, that's a problem coming from the player, neither the character, or the boss/game.
PS : Off topic, but I find that calling something "aids" ( or "cancer" as somebody else did here ) in such a context is incredibly stupid, close to pathetic.
It clearly does not help creating a constructive feedback / discussion either.
PPS : regarding evasion ... it's funny, I remember seeing Nugiyen being top 50 HC or SSF HC with a completely pure evasion build ... and destroying everything.
Evasion is strong, it just has its drawbacks, like everything else, and like everything else, you need to understand it and build the character accordingly ( knowing hat layered defense is how you can protect a character efficiently, right after obliterating everything of course .... but that's a rant for a power-creep related thread ! )
PPPS : Fuck, I should stay away from the forum, what am I doing ...............................
SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading. Last edited by Fruz#6137 on Jun 27, 2018, 5:46:57 AM
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Posted byFruz#6137on Jun 27, 2018, 5:45:31 AM
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This is my 5th time now going through this shit so far this league and I'm REALLY fucking tired of dealing with these [Removed by Support]. If I was still playing hardcore I would probably just quit the fucking game at cesspool doedre or solaris + lunaris because there's no point in walking into that aids cancer ebola bullshit
Did we reached the level, that serious sicknesses are OK to be used for cursing? Because support was editing this post but somehow missed the last sentence...
Let's explore new playstyles - Play it your own way, not just like the others.
Quality management is one of the most underrated success factors in every business...
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Posted bySynopse#1990on Jun 27, 2018, 7:41:10 AM
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鬼殺し wrote:
Not the way I used to play, but that was entirely my choice. I think your statement needs a little qualification -- if you play the game a certain way (whether deliberately or otherwise), acts 1-10 are a walk in the park. Try a multitude of other ways...not so much.
Once you get use to the bosses ( apart from stuff like the 2 cases I mention right after ), they are not that terrible to overcome anymore honestly.
Of course some flavour-of-the-month skill/builds can do it better than others but .... I'm pretty sure that you can go through the game "properly" pretty much with any skill.
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pphnx wrote:
Paying remarkable amount of currency(worth of ~2 exalts) to make 65-70 character with completed quests must be an option.
No.
And really good players reach maps in ... 6~7 hours or something like this ? I mean on a fresh character.
Maybe less ? I don't really know anymore, I might be understimating top players I guess.
And I'm pretty positive they can use most skills to do so. What they are picky about is setups to clear entire screens in the blink of an eye, not something that they need during leveling.
That's less than those 2 days that you're taking as an example, and it just shows that it can be done relatively quickly.
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Slaanesh69 wrote:
So I reached 90 with a BF/Reave build, ran a bunch of stuff I was holding out on, and then restarted with an Arc Totem Hiero. It is hilarious.
I guess I would like to add to this discussion the fact that once you twink out your second character, the leveling process is basically limited only by time and runspeed. And it has its own particular flavor and attraction completely different from your first character.
On your first character you are doing Lab stuff and Masters and juggling currency and worrying more about gear and gems and just being more careful and particular overall.
Then that second character you are pants-on-fire blasting through the Acts. Which is actually kind of fun. Especially if you meta the second build.
Can I use meta as a verb? Screw you, I just did.
Now to continue this point, I think there is a reason that I occasionally take 2 characters a league to 90 but rarely do a third. Because leveling that third character has the exact same flavor overall as the second, even if the build is incredibly different.
TL:DR First character in a League can be boring/painful. Second can be fun/fast. Third goes back to boring again.
Pretty much agree with this.
How fast you get bored now depends on the player of course.
Now, regarding the OP, the problem comes from the player imho.
Still :
- a6 boss's arena gets ridiculously small, and the visibility is messed up in this case, which I find really bad, I often portal out during that phase, just see the call .... portal out, come back ... wait for the arena to be "visible" again.
So for this one, I kind of agree.
- a10 boss, sometimes corners you with the too wide flameground that can just reach the edges and you have to either log out, portal if you can do it fast enough, or die. This boss should be hard as the last boss of the 10 acts .... but this part is still pretty bad I think.
The rest of the boss .... Gruthkul ( is that the correct spelling ? lol ) and Yugul can be done later one so that's quite fine.
Regarding lab, that's a problem coming from the player, neither the character, or the boss/game.
PS : Off topic, but I find that calling something "aids" ( or "cancer" as somebody else did here ) in such a context is incredibly stupid, close to pathetic.
It clearly does not help creating a constructive feedback / discussion either.
PPS : regarding evasion ... it's funny, I remember seeing Nugiyen being top 50 HC or SSF HC with a completely pure evasion build ... and destroying everything.
Evasion is strong, it just has its drawbacks, like everything else, and like everything else, you need to understand it and build the character accordingly ( knowing hat layered defense is how you can protect a character efficiently, right after obliterating everything of course .... but that's a rant for a power-creep related thread ! )
PPPS : Fuck, I should stay away from the forum, what am I doing ...............................
For clarification I also do not want pay to level. I just can't stand the act bosses. Too many times where 100% of the screen is covered in unavoidable damage, or the avoidable damage is annoyingly oppressive to where you can barely dps the boss in between dodges
I'd like to level another character or two, but can't be bothered to deal with these fuckers
Also for the people commenting about my use of the terms aids and cancer, those are pretty typical adjectives used in gw2 which I play infrequently when I'm not in poe, Sorry if I ruffled your jimmies
my evasion is so high i only insta rip sometimes
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Bug Fixes:
People were using cyclone for actual melee builds, so we nerfed it and made blade vortex. Also, we went ahead and made cyclone great for CoC casters while we were at it. Last edited by Legatus1982#1658 on Jun 27, 2018, 8:17:08 AM
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Posted byLegatus1982#1658on Jun 27, 2018, 8:15:28 AM
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