What's wrong with bestiary? Let's talk.

There is way too much variety in the number of beasts and mod combination. If recipes were all revealed, or the number of potential beast combinations were reduced i.e. all rhoas posses X mod or all monsters in map X contain Y monster, and you reduced the number specificity of the recipes down, this would be a pretty fun league to play. In it's current state, the number of recipes and number of different beasts are overwhelming. Only a very, very small fraction of the player community will be able to take the time to learn them.

On top of that, it's almost impossible to identify what type of beast you're capturing, so we're essentially forced to capture EVERY beast. If monsters with spectral had a blue aura, and different mods had different auras or visual indicators, maybe even a colored circle around their red/yellow sign on the map to allow the player to see what beast they are encountering, the QOL would be dramatically improved. As it stands, it's impossible without hovering your mouse over the monster while you're getting swarmed because you're afraid of attacking and killing the beast.

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ironstove wrote:

On top of that, it's almost impossible to identify what type of beast you're capturing, so we're essentially forced to capture EVERY beast. If monsters with spectral had a blue aura, and different mods had different auras or visual indicators, maybe even a colored circle around their red/yellow sign on the map to allow the player to see what beast they are encountering, the QOL would be dramatically improved. As it stands, it's impossible without hovering your mouse over the monster while you're getting swarmed because you're afraid of attacking and killing the beast.

This has easy solution: recipes tracking. Mark a recipe and have "X" above monsters that you need.

Some weekly update: right now I killed 2 different bestiary bosses and have 2 catched spirit beasts that requared for portals to same bosses. So, I found only 4 spirit beasts so far.

And I killed 3 abyss liches that even not a part of league content.

Agree with OP, good points, esp the risk vs. reward one.
If I have to fight 3-4 high lvl beasts for a random rare with a guaranteed affix, at least make the affix roll as max possible tier for that lvl, and not some +6life on a lv70 body armor that gets vendored 1 sec after... it just kills all will to make that (and similar) recipe ever again, at least for me.
RNG (item base) on top of RNG (tier of guaranteed affix) on top of RNG (other rolls) is a bit too much, don't you think?

Einhar is a sadistic pervert.

Edit - I made 2 very similar posts, combined

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Peterlerock wrote:

I capture all the yellow/red beasts.
It's one button click and a bit of timing sometimes, that's actually quite fun to me.

Every dozen maps, I check if I can do interesting stuff (mostly "10 orbs of horizon" for me) or if I randomly captured a monster that lets me enter a bossfight.

For the challenges, I looked up what I need to capture, and captured that.

I cut this out of your full post.

I would conjecture that THIS is the essence (pun intended based on these discussions!) of the Beast League for your average player; you know, the base supporting your game.

Is this anywhere near your expectations or goals for this league, GGG? Can you learn from this and somehow implement something into the base game that is actually enjoyable and accessible, so you don't waste all this time, effort, and money?

Can you possibly observe the lure of the next successful gaming genre without trying to shoehorn it into this ARPG genre? We don't play Monster hunter here. Nor am I playing PUBG here. I have other, well designed (well, when it comes to PUBG, moderately well designed)more specific sources for those playstyles, in my 200 game Steam list. Who on your payroll is pushing this agenda recently? It has to be in upper management, because it has been insipid.

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EnjoyTheJourney wrote:

Questions that come to mind for me are

1. Why are many recipes like an essence, only more restrictive? Why not just have more essences instead?
2. Why are many of these recipes not divination cards?
3. Why isn't Einhar a Forgotten Master for essence crafting?

Question 3 for me arises from thinking "Screw the nets, zoo, having to kill things twice, Einhar popping into the game and doing a bad Arnold Schwarzenegger impression, and general Pokemonery. Let us just kill stuff."

My final question for GGG is why out-of-genre mini-games are being pushed into the game. Do they have confidence in POE as an ARPG or not?

Quote made even more poignant when Battle Royale was introduced as an "April Fools Joke".

(1) Battle Royale is the king of popular games right now.
(2) If you think this "joke" wasn't doubling as some sort of litmus test on the mode, you are delusional.

My last update here.

Now I have 36 challenges. I still don't meeted Farric Tiger Alpha (bought Farrul kill in global) and Fenumal Hybrid Arachnid (bought beast, not get record in my bestiary because of that) by myself. Beside this I have 2 more Craicic Spider Crab and 1 Saqawine Rhex.

My total count of legendary spirit beasts is:
Farric Tiger Alpha - 0
Fenumal Hybrid Arachnid - 0
Craicic Spider Crab - 3
Saqawine Rhex - 2

Nice league.

GGG I hope that you stop make things in your game like in MMO, because your game not a MMO. Together with stupid Uber Elder spawn system, you want too much of my time without real reason for this.

I'm don't want to support this way, sorry.

The legendary beasts need to spawn more, or buying them needs to count for the challenge.

(Sorry for the possibly broken english)

Preface, I have just reached red maps and are a bit of an hoarder, I'm finding awkward to engage with the league, since I just can't bring myself to "waste" the red beasts for recipes.


Having to unlock beast recipes is annoying when I'm trying to gauge what red beasts I can safely use for commonish recipes without depriving you of the materials for the harder recipes. Maybe unlock a recipe as soon as you get one of the needed reds?

It would be nice if the pop-up with all the recipes for which the beast is used put extra emphasis to the ones for which the beast is the bottleneck, I don't really care that a certain red beast is a rare from the wilds.

Yellow beasts feel a bit awkward to use, on one hand they are a chaos orb+ so I want to save them for decent bases, on the other hand knowing that most of them will not be able to roll the iilv 82-86 mods makes me not really care that much about catching them. Maybe the ones from yellow maps could count as iilv 78 and the ones from red maps could count as iilv 100? You still need a base of a suitable level after all.

Tracking the life of red beasts just after they spawn adds is annoying.

Right now I just encountered the first spirit beast twice(the avian one) The bonus level was fun but since then I gathered some new gear and I now fear that by the time I reach the rarer one I will trivialize the fights. I'm not sure that gathing 16 unique minibosses and bosses behind a wall that players might overcome only a lot of time after they outgeared the content is a good idea.

Kept the default filter (the one in the options) a little more than necessary and noticed that necromancy nets are not highlightened at all in it, appearing like wisdom scrolls, you might want to fix that ;)

I think I used 4-5 red beasts recipes and 35-40 yellows ones for now(more than half during levelling), so I'd say I'm not really engaging with this league.