Supporting GGG and PoE, but not necessarily Bestiary Leaguespansion

for me it's obvious that the plot slowly makes the exile become like those who he set up to fight initially.

and i'm also missing the choice here, although that would likely have exploded the work neccessary for this league.

do i like having to torture animals for personal gain? no, but on the other hand it's just a game. so keep reporting those scammers and rotation leechers to ggg support cause that's really cruel and where the fun and the "game being a game" ends!!1

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diktaturr194 wrote:

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Boem wrote:

Ever talked with people that hunt and eat what they hunt about people hunting for sport and leaving the corpses behind to rot only taking a memento or trophy?

This argument does not address people who actually cannot survive without eating animals. I don't know any such people and I strongly suppose neither do you.
Someone that hunts and kills animals in a first world country still does it for his personal enjoyment, nothing else.

This right here is a prime example of what what Boem was referring to as "uneducated". While there ARE people whot hunt for their enjoyment, most do it to either preserve the ecosystem or to prevent wild animals from causing large amounts of damage to harvests. Have you ever seen how a field looks after a group of hungry boars went through, looking for food?
So while we do not directly depend on animal meat, we still need to keep their numbers in check to protect the crops and thus the food supply. Where I live at least.

This is completely beside the point though. In more ways than one. Coming back to animal cruelty, (which, again, wasn't even the point of this thread) hunters try to kill the animals they have to in the least cruel way possible. It's part of their job to keep the suffering of the animals, be it injury from accidents, food shortage or when they kill them, to a minimum. Unfortunately there is no direct translation to english for the german word "Gnadenschuss", but maybe you know the term "coup de grâce"? The act of killing out of mercy.
But, well since everyone who hunts animals in a first world country does so for his own amusement, I guess killing animals that are terminally injured and suffering from traffic accidents is completely out of the question aswell.
And it's still not the point.

This whole thread was originally immersion related. Which is perfectly understandable and actually easy to fix. A unique dialogue for each of the 7 exiles with personalised justification would do the trick. Like "This way you can learn a way to save them from corruption" to the ranger or "You'll gain power" to the shadow. That's basically all that's needed to fix it.

People seem to be over-thinking this. They probably came up with this idea a year or so ago. They don't happen over night. What happened a year or so ago? Pokémon-go. Made millions in it's three week lifespan. It's not some huge story twist, or evolution of our exile's persona. It's a game. People pay money to collect animals for a zoo. GGG has bought into it.

Estimates put it at $600,000,000 in three months. I could live with that.

Just looked at the supporter packs...

As usual, while the weapon effects look OK, the rest is hideous, *especially* those 'pet' things - There are so few that look actually decent.

I'd be more than willing to buy a pack that was all of the weapon effects, but not willing to waste my money on the things I won't ever use.

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diktaturr194 wrote:

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Boem wrote:

Of course it doesn't because your premise is wrong and uneducated.

Wrong and "uneducated"? Are you just using randomly generated words?

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Boem wrote:

You know why people are against animal cruelty while being perfectly capable of accepting the fact we need to farm animals in order to sustain our basic needs, right?

Are you in a position where you cannot survive without eating animals meat?
No you are not, you have access to internet so I assume you live in a first world country, in which you would be perfectly capable of feeding yourself with non-animal products exclusively.
So let's summarize what we have learned so far: You support the killing of animals for your personal enjoyment, which is tasting and consuming meat.
Funnily enough - what you call "animal cruelty" in the context of PoE, is literally what are the equal conditions in real life: raising animals in captivity to then slaughter them.

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Boem wrote:

Ever talked with people that hunt and eat what they hunt about people hunting for sport and leaving the corpses behind to rot only taking a memento or trophy?

This argument does not address people who actually cannot survive without eating animals. I don't know any such people and I strongly suppose neither do you.
Someone that hunts and kills animals in a first world country still does it for his personal enjoyment, nothing else.

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Boem wrote:

If you can't comprehend the basic distinction between those two actions, well i guess i'll just say you have room for improvement.

The only difference between these two actions is that one you are used to and learned to accept and the other one is new to you.

You realize that there are cases where it's more beneficial to nature as a whole to eat meat right?

Those meat replacements aren't fabricated out of thin air and if there not created in the area you live, but meat could, you can be pretty much certain your harming nature more by eating meat replacements then going for meat.

But guess what, it's not your nature so no fucks are given.

I call it uneducated because no thought or logic was put into it. Or there was but it reeks of ignorance on a macro scale.

Why even partake in a consumer driven society if nature is your main concern in life.

Not having to eat meat doesn't equate to being better for nature or animals on a macro scale = uneducated.

Ignoring the fact it fly's past the point of the OP or even the reason why he posted entirely, which is also an indication of thought put in your response.

Peace,

-Boem-

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The_Scourge wrote:

It is punching-down, plain and simple.

The game is brutal and will continue to be brutal. We walk past piles of corpses, we straight up murder other exiles and take their shit, we kill an old guy's dog for a treasure key; there is no reason to draw the line at sacrificing these fictional animals for use in crafting (and it looks like "sacrificing" the animals involves having to fight them in a pit anyway).

Wraeclast ain't the place for social justice and I'm happy they aren't censoring their creativity to make it so. Let's test the gameplay mechanics and see if they are any fun rather than try to pick and choose what in the game adheres to a moral code applicable only outside of the game world.

Don't try. Sooner or later they will move from the TV screens and come down on gaming.

Remember old school MAD TV and married with children? Yea well...even a certain farm doesn't.

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Aixius wrote:

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The_Scourge wrote:

It is punching-down, plain and simple.

The game is brutal and will continue to be brutal. We walk past piles of corpses, we straight up murder other exiles and take their shit, we kill an old guy's dog for a treasure key; there is no reason to draw the line at sacrificing these fictional animals for use in crafting (and it looks like "sacrificing" the animals involves having to fight them in a pit anyway).

Wraeclast ain't the place for social justice and I'm happy they aren't censoring their creativity to make it so. Let's test the gameplay mechanics and see if they are any fun rather than try to pick and choose what in the game adheres to a moral code applicable only outside of the game world.

No rules, just right.

lmao

calm down with the animal brutality insinuations.

Minecraft players cage pigs/sheeps and force them to breed together even if one is the offspring of the other.. now thats fucked up.

*didn't stop microsoft from buying it for 2B$