F the labyrinth

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Turtledove wrote:

I quit playing PoE for a while but came back when Release 3.0 reduced the size of the first two labyrinths and further reduced the required trials.

Since then I've been doing uber labyrinth on my characters. Before I had not seriously tried it. I hadn't even bothered finishing all of the endgame trials. I'm now somewhat familiar with PoElab.com and how to read and interpret the information there. I've even watched some "How To" videos for killing Izaro. Don't get me wrong, I'm no where near being an expert. I quit playing PoE because before I hated labyrinth so much. Now that I'm much more familiar with it and much better at it, I have to say that it is even a worse pile of shit than I ever thought. It is completely not fun, boring, irritating, tedious, absolutely awful crap. F the Labyrinth!

The loathsome Labyrinth besmirches and insults GGG's good name.

Wow... very similar experience, although I tend to take breaks every league rather than "quit". I've been really trying to give the lab a chance this league, even going so far as to build some lab runners. Like you, despite feeling much more proficient at doing it, I still think it really sucks and is super fucking annoying. If it wasn't for needing to run lab to get ascendancy points I would completely skip it regardless of the rewards. I would quite literally rather farm 100 Oni-Goroshi's than run 10 uber labs. It's the traps. I fucking hate the traps. They aren't challenging, just annoying and tedious. Two game attributes GGG thinks are "fun".

Combine that with the "fun" of trying to get all the trials (without using 820) and wow... yeah, lab is great.

Unfortunately GGG loves the lab so we're fucked. Other than minor changes like the ones to shorten the first two labs we will probably always have the PITA of needing to do each lab at least once.

P.S. And for those who claim that Ascendancy isn't necessary to play, that is such a ridiculous argument I don't bother expending a lot of effort to rebut it. Ascendancy is a key part of every character build (or at least should be). While "key" doesn't mean "necessary" the two are semantically close enough that we shouldn't need to argue about it.

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Xavathos wrote:

Like I said, I'd have suggested this to you, had I not known better.

The Lab remains entirely optional, whether you feel it is or not. It is NOT required to progress and access all other content the game has to offer. It is optional. FACT.

You speak to me of delusion when you would argue a factual statement...

You didn't answer last time, so let me ask you again.

Does your idea of a good game allow for the presence of un-fun content as long as it isn't absolutely necessary to play? Is it ok to create content that a large number of players dislike, as long as it's remotely possible to ignore?

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suszterpatt wrote:

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Xavathos wrote:

Like I said, I'd have suggested this to you, had I not known better.

The Lab remains entirely optional, whether you feel it is or not. It is NOT required to progress and access all other content the game has to offer. It is optional. FACT.

You speak to me of delusion when you would argue a factual statement...

You didn't answer last time, so let me ask you again.

Does your idea of a good game allow for the presence of un-fun content as long as it isn't absolutely necessary to play? Is it ok to create content that a large number of players dislike, as long as it's remotely possible to ignore?

I never said anything about fun. Fun is relative. I find Lab fun, you don't, therefor it's absolutely pointless for us to discuss it. I will still find it fun and you will still not. I was merely stating facts, because some people here seem to think they can throw lies around to bolster their stance. I would have any discussion remain on equal grounds.

Speak your mind, by all means, but do so in respectful manner, without resorting to propaganda and personal insults.

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Xavathos wrote:

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suszterpatt wrote:

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Xavathos wrote:

Like I said, I'd have suggested this to you, had I not known better.

The Lab remains entirely optional, whether you feel it is or not. It is NOT required to progress and access all other content the game has to offer. It is optional. FACT.

You speak to me of delusion when you would argue a factual statement...

You didn't answer last time, so let me ask you again.

Does your idea of a good game allow for the presence of un-fun content as long as it isn't absolutely necessary to play? Is it ok to create content that a large number of players dislike, as long as it's remotely possible to ignore?

I never said anything about fun. Fun is relative. I find Lab fun, you don't, therefor it's absolutely pointless for us to discuss it. I will still find it fun and you will still not.

So you don't think that if we voice our opinions on why we don't find it fun, it could be improved so that we will have more fun with it?

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Xavathos wrote:

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suszterpatt wrote:

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Xavathos wrote:

Like I said, I'd have suggested this to you, had I not known better.

The Lab remains entirely optional, whether you feel it is or not. It is NOT required to progress and access all other content the game has to offer. It is optional. FACT.

You speak to me of delusion when you would argue a factual statement...

You didn't answer last time, so let me ask you again.

Does your idea of a good game allow for the presence of un-fun content as long as it isn't absolutely necessary to play? Is it ok to create content that a large number of players dislike, as long as it's remotely possible to ignore?

I never said anything about fun. Fun is relative. I find Lab fun, you don't, therefor it's absolutely pointless for us to discuss it. I will still find it fun and you will still not. I was merely stating facts, because some people here seem to think they can throw lies around to bolster their stance. I would have any discussion remain on equal grounds.

Speak your mind, by all means, but do so in respectful manner, without resorting to propaganda and personal insults.

You know the whle idea of forum, let alone 'Feedback & suggestion', is to voice what we like & don't like.

If you are not interested to discuss, then you can choose NOT to post here!

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KiadawP wrote:

You know the whle idea of forum, let alone 'Feedback & suggestion', is to voice what we like & don't like.

If you are not interested to discuss, then you can choose NOT to post here!

That's right! This is the Feedback and Suggestions forum for feedback and suggestions to GGG. The Help and Information forum is where it is reasonable to try to help and inform other players that are looking for help and information.

GGG I appreciate your game in general and I specifically appreciate you reducing the loathsome labyrinth content in release 3.0. However, labyrinth is loathsome content that besmirches and insults your good name. Please eliminate the need for running through horrible loathsome content in your otherwise wonderful game. F the Labyrinth

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suszterpatt wrote:

So you don't think that if we voice our opinions on why we don't find it fun, it could be improved so that we will have more fun with it?

Does it matter what I think, truly?

I would hope you would be successful. I only wish you the best of luck in convincing those with the power to change when you can't even convince yourself enough to cease use of desperate means to see your opinion bolster, disregarding even facts presented.

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KiadawP wrote:

You know the whle idea of forum, let alone 'Feedback & suggestion', is to voice what we like & don't like.

If you are not interested to discuss, then you can choose NOT to post here!

And voicing what I like and don't like is exactly I've been doing since this started.

Now if you don't mind, maybe you can stop trying to personally pick apart ever word I speak and get back to the topic at hand? Your attention is flattering to be sure, but unfortunately wasted on me.

For the record I have angrily done the uber lab successfully on my Spectre Necro and Totem build both at 75. Before I was ignoring it in protest but I needed it for the totem build so I broke the protest.

I STILL hate it and even though its very profitable and my totem build is not viable without doing it (unlike the necro build).

This is not a l2p issue I did it fine. The point is that even though it's doable and profitable it still isn't fun and should be non mandatory. I do not see the issue of giving uber lab at 80 or 85. Your really limiting profit and slowing xp by making people who hate it not doing it for 10 levels.

Plus they lose the fat loot and enchantment buffs.

Why are people complaining about people complaining. I thought they like people posting here so they keep the forums they care more about free of clutter?

We are doing GGG a huge service by limiting posts to the threads on topic. I am sure customer support would thank us for posting here where WE ARE SUPPOSED TO post.

They do not want us complaining about carry prices in the auctions forums or about how xxxx build is harder on uber lab in the witch forums or how nothing is being done in the patch forum.

This is where they can read it or ignore it.