F the labyrinth

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Shovelcut wrote:

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suszterpatt wrote:

Quick thought experiment: what if it is his ISP? Does that make it okay that the game robs you of your progress if you get a DC?

It's simple, if it's his ISP then it's them who are robbing him of his progress. Continually bitching to GGG isn't going to fix his situation if that's the case. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Except even within PoE, you never lose that much progress anywhere outside the lab. DC during campaign? Use your last portal or the nearest checkpoint, no problem. DC during mapping? Unless it was your last portal into the map (which almost never happens), you just need to walk a bit and pick up right where you left off. Even if it was your last portal, the amount of loot you lose out on is pretty low compared to a single lab run. The worst case scenario is a DC while on your last portal while doing some content with drop-restricted loot, e.g. Shaper or Atziri, but even that's a lot tamer than a full uber lab haul.

Also, DC's aren't necessarily the ISP's fault. You could just as easily get a crash due to a bug in GGG's code. Shit happens, and if the game's design is not prepared for that, that's the game's fault. GGG could design around occasional DC's if they wanted to.

Ya, the traps are annoying but, instead of chucking the whole lab, just replace the traps with random puzzles. Everyone likes puzzles!

Also add small platforms on rails that will move you around the areas when you stand on them.

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suszterpatt wrote:

Also, DC's aren't necessarily the ISP's fault. You could just as easily get a crash due to a bug in GGG's code. Shit happens, and if the game's design is not prepared for that, that's the game's fault.

True but constantly complaining about an issue without ever providing the data needed to determine how to fix the issue isn't going to help anyone. Again, it's simple, if you have constant disconnects the absolute first thing you should do is run a test to determine if the issue is on your side. If it is, you know who to contact to get it solved. If it isn't on your end, then you can provide GGG the data they need to remedy the problem.

Dunno why we're even still discussing it tbh unless you're one of those people that just want to blindly blame GGG for every issue there is.

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suszterpatt wrote:

GGG could design around occasional DC's if they wanted to.

You sure they could do that without leaving themselves open to vulnerabilities? Because it sure seems that any other game out there without such strict networking protocol seems to have hackers in abundance.

No reason to continue this here though, we've already gone far off-topic. I wasn't trying to steer the discussion away from the OP, just trying to help someone that's been having problems.

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Shovelcut wrote:

Again, it's simple, if you have constant disconnects the absolute first thing you should do is run a test to determine if the issue is on your side. If it is, you know who to contact to get it solved. If it isn't on your end, then you can provide GGG the data they need to remedy the problem.

Sure, but you're missing the larger picture here. In any other area of PoE, constant disconnects are a minor annoyance. In the lab, they're a complete game breaker. That is entirely GGG's fault.

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Shovelcut wrote:

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suszterpatt wrote:

GGG could design around occasional DC's if they wanted to.

You sure they could do that without leaving themselves open to vulnerabilities? Because it sure seems that any other game out there without such strict networking protocol seems to have hackers in abundance.

Yes. Just let us rejoin the same lab instance at the last completed Izaro phase. If the player left during an Izaro fight, have that fight reset. It's that simple.

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suszterpatt wrote:

Yes. Just let us rejoin the same lab instance at the last completed Izaro phase. If the player left during an Izaro fight, have that fight reset. It's that simple.

So basically make it abusable with the logout macro? Fight not going your way? Just hit the macro and try again. Yeah nty.

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Shovelcut wrote:

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suszterpatt wrote:

Yes. Just let us rejoin the same lab instance at the last completed Izaro phase. If the player left during an Izaro fight, have that fight reset. It's that simple.

So basically make it abusable with the logout macro? Fight not going your way? Just hit the macro and try again. Yeah nty.

I would assume that resetting the fight means that Izaro goes back to full strength. I don't see the harm in that? Not that I'd ever use it since I've never used the logout macro. I mean there wouldn't be zerging possible. Not sure how it would be abused other than answering the phone or something?

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Turtledove wrote:

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Shovelcut wrote:

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suszterpatt wrote:

Yes. Just let us rejoin the same lab instance at the last completed Izaro phase. If the player left during an Izaro fight, have that fight reset. It's that simple.

So basically make it abusable with the logout macro? Fight not going your way? Just hit the macro and try again. Yeah nty.

I would assume that resetting the fight means that Izaro goes back to full strength. I don't see the harm in that? Not that I'd ever use it since I've never used the logout macro. I mean there wouldn't be zerging possible. Not sure how it would be abused other than answering the phone or something?

You have to load into town first so you'd basically be able to chicken out of any fight you're on the verge of losing and retry with full flasks without ever having to rerun the laby.

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Shovelcut wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

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Shovelcut wrote:

So basically make it abusable with the logout macro? Fight not going your way? Just hit the macro and try again. Yeah nty.

I would assume that resetting the fight means that Izaro goes back to full strength. I don't see the harm in that? Not that I'd ever use it since I've never used the logout macro. I mean there wouldn't be zerging possible. Not sure how it would be abused other than answering the phone or something?

You have to load into town first so you'd basically be able to chicken out of any fight you're on the verge of losing and retry with full flasks without ever having to rerun the laby.

Yes, but that is where you started from when you first entered the fight so there isn't any zerg opportunity? Or am I missing something? I mean it would be silly to keep the flasks in the same place if Izaro was being reset wouldn't it?

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Turtledove wrote:

Or am I missing something?

Yes, and as history has proven it's a complete waste of my time trying to explain it to you. :)

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suszterpatt wrote:

Yes. Just let us rejoin the same lab instance at the last completed Izaro phase. If the player left during an Izaro fight, have that fight reset. It's that simple.

I think that there are many people hate that labyrinth has no portals/checkpoints. Some percentage of those people don't even mind the trap game play. But I'd assume that almost all people that dislike the trap game play doesn't like the fact that labyrinth has no portals/checkpoints. Adding portal/checkpoints to labyrinth would be a very easy to implement change to make for GGG. Since GGG seems to frequently go for the easy to implement solutions, I'm guessing there's a reasonable chance that this might be the next thing they may do on their make labyrinth better list.