Straw poll: do you like the lab? [UPDATED W. RESULT]

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PyleWarlord wrote:

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PleiadesBlackstar wrote:

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PyleWarlord wrote:

yes, and the reason is that there are characters/builds that needs careful planning to do (uber)lab..
hell, i have seen streamers say: i will complete the labs and then respec into X

My biggest victory in this game was completing the uberlab with a 4500 hp acro/eva character, i really felt that i have done something major (took me like 6-7 keys to do, on a EASY™ lab day).

Or like most of my multisummoners that usually ran uber lab with the same life pool because I intended the minions to take almost all of uber izaro's focus away from me, usually accomplish this on the 2nd try.

My HC "summoner" (srs) did uberlab like on level 90, 6k'ish HP, used Determination and with the gear she has on her... also used enduring cry and Flesh Binder and non-puffed Izzy/Argus seemed like a joke.

I always noticed that as long as I had a 5l for my spectres, flame sentinels and srs just generally melted uber izaro even at earlier levels. So yeah, uber lab isn't an early league thing for some builds because even a 5l can be hard to come by for some people such as myself, but playing builds that struggle somewhat in lab always made builds like my EQ Duelist all the more fun when they could run labs back to back with no problems.

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mark1030 wrote:

I remember Shovelcut posting his demonstration that it was easy to cast multiple votes in that old poll way back when he did it. And I remember his observation about how there was no activity in that poll for a long time but as soon as he added votes to one side there would coincidentally be an equal number of votes added to the other. When I posted here referring to that I had no idea that those old posts had been deleted and I wasn't even sure I remembered correctly that it was Shovelcut who did that. That's why my reference to it started as "I think...". No secrecy or sleight of hand involved. He was up front as he was doing it and immediately posted what he did and what happened next.

Good memory! I had even gone so far as to setup an old pc with spyware that takes screenshots at set intervals to record the poll, I'll share them if I can ever get it running again. But I built it for 30 bucks out of used parts of extremely old business PC's and on top of that it got put in a storage building that flooded so I'm not keeping my hopes up. It couldn't even run the latest version of Firefox at the time. lol

Yeah, whatever I did the 'against/for' ratio would stay close to a 60/40% split IIRC. A couple of times it got close to 50/50 but the counter-votes would come in faster than I could vote manually.

I'll eventually restore all my posts that I deleted, I regret deleting them. It's just a matter of finding the time and motivation to sit and go through them all. Some of them would likely still be useful to new players if they are searching certain topics.

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The_Reporter wrote:

That's because there are so many individual users opposed to the lab, that not even you dishonestly cheating could offset it.

lol No. The poll had been around long enough where the votes weren't really even coming in much at all.

It would get one or two votes here and there because you guys kept linking it or pointing people to the links in the OP of the Regulators thread.

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The_Reporter wrote:

That's because there are so many individual users opposed to the lab, that not even you dishonestly cheating could offset it.

I can vouch for the ballot stuffing coming in from both sides.

The forum post involved 3 polls. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1639251 The poll was no longer new and new votes were getting infrequent. The three polls were fairly equally divided. First was lab, second was ascendancy, third was enchants. It was like a couple hundred more votes in lab than ascendancy and maybe a hundred more or so in ascendancy than enchant, like now. Note that Regulator added a link to the poll in his big thread. This has probably added more votes since and probably more skewed towards anti-lab and also explaining in part why it's now like 800 more total votes for the lab poll than the ascendancy poll. IIRC, Shovelcut added maybe a 100 but less than 200. I saw jumps in the dislike lab categories in reponse then I stopped watching the poll. If I had to guess I'd say maybe 200 total votes but more could have been added later after I stopped watching.

It was the Russians, not Shovelcut

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kolyaboo wrote:

It was the Russians, not Shovelcut

Lol, that was funny.

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IIRC, Shovelcut added maybe a 100 but less than 200.

It was 100 exactly, I even said so like 2 pages ago. lol

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kolyaboo wrote:

It was the Russians, not Shovelcut

lol and here I was thinking with everything she's done that it was Britney Spears doing.
Listen to this to get the reference. xD

Yeah, it probably was Brit

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Shovelcut wrote:

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IIRC, Shovelcut added maybe a 100 but less than 200.

It was 100 exactly, I even said so like 2 pages ago. lol

You were paying closer attention than me. I was trying to describe my recollection of what I saw back then. I was not trying to go off of what you said in this thread. Your description in this thread matches my recollection. If I left a different impression then it was unintentional.