[2.6] IMMORTAL MF GOLEMS - Shaper / Uber / ALL Guardians *WHILE DEAD*

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VGLance wrote:

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

MoD does not affect our golems. I was wrong because i checked the wiki page for minions and only our 1st ascendancy that gives 1 extra golems affect our golems. Others do nothing about the golems only increase our own cast speed or give us buffs for our own spells.
And global damage increases also does not affect the golems as i suggested with inc. dmg. while dead corruption. Only minion damage increases can increase the damage along with linked gems.
There are 3 types of flame golem spells so there are limited occasions where their spells get supported by linked gems.

And was that conclusion met with stronger evidence (direct message from GGG staff saying the offence tab of ->>>golems skill<<<- is incorrectly showing the fire penetration when you cast a lightning spell and will be corrected in a future patch). Because that is the only way it can come to a credible conclusion to support your statement.

If you are going just by the wiki you are not reading it properly. It doesn't add DAMAGE, it adds fire penetration. Think of it like all mobs in the range of the golems are being affected by scorching ray. Golems do more damage to mobs you are hitting with scorching ray do they not?

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VGLance wrote:

Clicking on the golem tooltip shows you the golem's attributes (offense, defense, misc, charges) which changes for example if you put on or off minion damage support (you'll see the damage modifier change in the misc tab). That tells you that all information on those tabs reflects the characteristics of the golem, ~not~ the player casting the golem. And common sense would tell you that the act of summoning a golem neither causes damage nor penetrates fire resistance.

This is very basic stuff MrsDeath. And I've already itemized a series of basic things you've overlooked. Doesn't something trigger in you the thought that maybe, just maybe, you might be wrong on this one too?

54% of the people in the US believe we get the majority of our oil from the Middle East. Never in the history of our country have we ever gotten the majority of our oil from the Middle East. And yet the passion behind so many peoples' political and world views is so extreme and they feel they are so 'right' yet in reality, they are wrong and uninformed more than they want to admit. Dunning-kruger effect.

And AGAIN, you are misunderstanding the minion wiki page. They are showing passives and ascendancies that DIRECTLY affect minions that is on all the time and INDEPENDENT from requiring player action to do something to proc it. Mastermind of Discord is NOT a direct minion effect. It's an indirect one AND to make it even more complex, the right golem elemental damage must line up with the appropriate elemental damage casted by the player. So it is incredibly situational. Putting it on the minion page with disclaimers longer than the description itself makes no sense.

The game is WAY too complex with WAY too many variables to factor in all influencing factors. Every wiki page would be an entire book if it had to include all that information.

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VGLance wrote:

If you are going just by the wiki you are not reading it properly. It doesn't add DAMAGE, it adds fire penetration. Think of it like all mobs in the range of the golems are being affected by scorching ray. Golems do more damage to mobs you are hitting with scorching ray do they not?

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Neither passive skills nor stats from the player's equipment affect minions unless they specifically state "Minions _____".

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VGLance wrote:

And was that conclusion met with stronger evidence (direct message from GGG staff saying the offence tab of ->>>golems skill<<<- is incorrectly showing the fire penetration when you cast a lightning spell and will be corrected in a future patch).

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

It took me 2 or 3 days to sink in but tomay is right about this topic. I was so disappointed by not getting benefit of so many things..I am thinking about switching to shaper of desolation just to benefit from elemental status effects with ball lightning. I wonder how effective they would be?

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VGLance wrote:

Clicking on the golem tooltip shows you the golem's attributes (offense, defense, misc, charges) which changes for example if you put on or off minion damage support (you'll see the damage modifier change in the misc tab). That tells you that all information on those tabs reflects the characteristics of the golem, ~not~ the player casting the golem. And common sense would tell you that the act of summoning a golem neither causes damage nor penetrates fire resistance.