Do you know why Exalted price has fallen so hard on BSC?

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pr13st wrote:

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Docbp87 wrote:

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Crusader_of_Sorrow wrote:

I don't understand people defending that bullshit market manipulation, I'M benefiting from it and i think it is wrong, why the fuck you think it is right? Just because you're benefiting? I'm just alerting why people are pricing shit in chaos.

People are pricing things in chaos because exalts are not stable. Thats it. They aren't pricing things in chaos because that somehow fucks new players.

Truth.

Exactly im still trying to figure out how cheap Exalts are bad for anyone especially new players? Cheaper Exalts means they are easier to buy. Easier access to exalts means players can actually use them..
If anything its good for ALL players new and old.. Makes very little sense to me what is trying to be argued here. Im more concerned with the real price minipulations going on on poe.trade where multiple accounts are posting items WAY cheaper than they are and then refusing to answer if you try to buy them but instantly scoop them up if you post anywhere close to thier fake listing..

Thats a way bigger issue to me than Exalts being reasonably priced for the first time in 4 Leagues. Want to talk about market manipulation lets talk about it then not exalts finally being priced closer to what they are actually worth for the first time since 2.0. Thats not market manipulation thats just exalts going down in value because Chaos is more desired currency at this time.

And its not too hard to figure out why people want Chaos over Exalts if you are mapping hard and trying to push 10K map tiers. Mapping if your really pushing it hard and doing it right isn't exactly a cheap endeavor. Your constantly Going through Alcs, Chaos, Chisels, and even Vaal Orbs. Hell look at maps right now nearly ALL maps being sold are priced in Chisels. And why is that? Because people need fucking chisels to keep mapping to keep maps coming in for them to continue mapping. Anyone how actually maps knows all this well. And this isn't even mentioning using Zana mods on your maps which is another 2-4 Chaos PER map.

One could argue its not that exalts are going down i value its that Chaos is going up its a more desired currency because its the most used for mapping. And considering your not gonna use Exalts on your maps it only makes sense to sell items in Chaos since if you did sell in Exalts you STILL need to turn around at some point on convert them to Chaos for mapping costs so people are basically cutting out the middleman and selling in Chaos to get the currency they need more to continue mapping.

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Exactly im still trying to figure out how cheap Exalts are bad for anyone especially new players? Cheaper Exalts means they are easier to buy. Easier access to exalts means players can actually use them..
If anything its good for ALL players new and old.. Makes very little sense to me what is trying to be argued here. Im more concerned with the real price minipulations going on on poe.trade where multiple accounts are posting items WAY cheaper than they are and then refusing to answer if you try to buy them but instantly scoop them up if you post anywhere close to thier fake listing..

Thats a way bigger issue to me than Exalts being reasonably priced for the first time in 4 Leagues. Want to talk about market manipulation lets talk about it then not exalts finally being priced closer to what they are actually worth for the first time since 2.0. Thats not market manipulation thats just exalts going down in value because Chaos is more desired currency at this time.

And its not too hard to figure out why people want Chaos over Exalts if you are mapping hard and trying to push 10K map tiers. Mapping if your really pushing it hard and doing it right isn't exactly a cheap endeavor. Your constantly Going through Alcs, Chaos, Chisels, and even Vaal Orbs. Hell look at maps right now nearly ALL maps being sold are priced in Chisels. And why is that? Because people need fucking chisels to keep mapping to keep maps coming in for them to continue mapping. Anyone how actually maps knows all this well. And this isn't even mentioning using Zana mods on your maps which is another 2-4 Chaos PER map.

One could argue its not that exalts are going down i value its that Chaos is going up its a more desired currency because its the most used for mapping. And considering your not gonna use Exalts on your maps it only makes sense to sell items in Chaos since if you did sell in Exalts you STILL need to turn around at some point on convert them to Chaos for mapping costs so people are basically cutting out the middleman and selling in Chaos to get the currency they need more to continue mapping.

Man, i have to respond this.

You guys are seeing a new player as an old player starting a league. Those are two different things.

New players don't produce chaos as fast as old players when they start a new league. And i said it so many times, idk, i think you guys forgot what is being a new player in POE. You don't even know how to make currency, suddenly an ex drop and you want to buy items: items are sold in chaos -> you sell your ex instantly for the first one offering a reasonable value. But no value is reasonable right now.

New player isn't Old player starting a league.

I think (correct me if I'm wrong), I understand what the OP is trying to get at. Took me a while, reading through the 11 pages, but here goes:

You (the OP) are upset that items that were previously priced for X amount of exalts is now priced in Y amounts of chaos, where if you convert the Y chaos to exalts you end up getting Z, which is less than X. Therefore, you end up making an overall profit as a seller by listing items in chaos (due to the fact that as a seller, once you receive the chaos amount, you can then convert to exalts and end up getting more exalts).

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the answer to why chaos is more valuable than exalts at the moment was explained by Demonoz. I'll retype the take home message points and try to rephrase it in a way that makes sense for Breach Softcore:

-> Breach challenges are forcing players to focus on collecting chaos orbs rather than exalts, purely because of how the challenges were designed. For example, the "beyond challenge", it requires you to either re-roll maps (which forces you to use chaos), or pay chaos orbs to Zana to add "beyond" to maps.

-> Perandus Coffers forces you to pay Zana for the perandus mod.

-> Twinned map challenge forces you to use chaos orbs to reroll until you get twinned mod.

-> 10,000 map tier achievement -> if you play a specific build that has a weakness, you will be forced to reroll the map using chaos orbs or trade it for a clean one of equivalent value.

As you can see from the above points, it is clear why for this league specifically (A.K.A Breach), chaos orbs are more valuable than exalts.

The logic train of thought for someone needing to complete challenges requiring chaos is then:
chaos orbs needed for challenge completion -> chaos orbs are in more demand than exalted orbs -> ipso facto it would be more profitable to sell my item in chaos than exalts

The logical train of though for someone at 36-40/40 who doesnt want to complete any more challenges is then:
chaos orbs are in high demand on market -> if I sell items in chaos orbs than exalts then I can buy more exalts with the chaos orbs since it costs less to buy exalts with chaos than it did before -> therefore I will slightly overprice my item that would be otherwise listed for 1 ex for maybe 50-60 chaos and then sell 45 chaos for 1 ex and make a +5-15 chaos orb profit.

Cheers,
AstraZeneca AKA Bat_boy

I can appreciate an economics theory discussion however I disagree with this.

Why?

Because I sold a 400 chaos item for 8 exalts, and I always convert my chaos to exalts so when I buy expensive items--I offer equivalent in exalts too LOL, it's the same damn thing.
In fact I like it better this way because sellers accept chaos instead of that old "pure exalt only plz" bullshit.ALSO exalts are cheaper so there is more of a chance to actually use them crafting :)

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neonive wrote:

I can appreciate an economics theory discussion however I disagree with this.

Why?

Because I sold a 400 chaos item for 8 exalts, and I always convert my chaos to exalts so when I buy expensive items--I offer equivalent in exalts too LOL, it's the same damn thing.
In fact I like it better this way because sellers accept chaos instead of that old "pure exalt only plz" bullshit.ALSO exalts are cheaper so there is more of a chance to actually use them crafting :)

I also agree that it isn't price manipulation (see above post), but I think the OP is more concerned about the "why" bit.

To me, the reason is because in the Breach league, there isn't much use for exalts towards completing challenges - only I guess as a currency converter to chaos. Whereas chaos orbs themselves have a plethora of uses towards completing challenges. In fact, it is required in some.

That's my take on why exalts are cheap this league. Chaos orbs go up in value due to their versatility and must have feature so people who have exalts want to convert them to chaos and therefore will settle for less than what the usual trend in the past year was.

This is amazing.

I don't think I've ever seen a troll thread where the OP actually continues fanning the flames.
Usually they start, maybe reply once or twice then vanish to let others continue the conversation.

Good job OP, well done.


In all seriousness though, I think you'd be better off accusing the players of previous leagues keeping exalted orb prices inflated by listing items for exalts only.
And also take into account the new divination card The Saint's Treasure which people would have been farming for the challenge and the related increase in Exalted Orbs available.

I'm not saying it's not evil market manipulatuuurrrs, just that there may be other factors involved.

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crystalwitch wrote:

This is amazing.

I don't think I've ever seen a troll thread where the OP actually continues fanning the flames.
Usually they start, maybe reply once or twice then vanish to let others continue the conversation.

Good job OP, well done.


In all seriousness though, I think you'd be better off accusing the players of previous leagues keeping exalted orb prices inflated by listing items for exalts only.
And also take into account the new divination card The Saint's Treasure which people would have been farming for the challenge and the related increase in Exalted Orbs available.

I'm not saying it's not evil market manipulatuuurrrs, just that there may be other factors involved.

"Troll thread". Shaming people because they disagree with you, i won't even waste my time reading the rest of your futile text, it probably add nothing to the discussion as you start by judging someone you don't even know. What a failed human.

People in this thread seem to be so lost, but lost hard. They think i'm butt hurt, but i ain't the one losing shit, i'm actually profiting with that bullshit manipulation even not being part of those group of "idk what to call" people.

The thread is a warning. I'm still multiplying my exalts per hour.

I mean, i started this thread with 24 exalts, i'm with

Do you really think i'm here butt hurt? So, someone decide to alert how much you're losing and you blame them because... you're probably profiting too?

What a fucking joke.

Btw, i'm not even focusing on trading shit, i just grab some chaos here and there from gloves craft and bang, 30 ex in some hours. People come here complain because they're profiting too, but they don't want anyone to know how shitty is that ex price. I mean, people are desperated now trying to buy my expensive items cuz ex prices went to shit. The community is just fucking over the economy, i'm just showing it.

I'm not a flipper or hoarder, i play the game, if someone just playing is doing a lot of ex per hour, something is kinda nonsense? AFter all, it is a gridning game, and i see no grind, all currency is coming while i just wait to fall asleep.

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Crusader_of_Sorrow wrote:

People in this thread seem to be so lost, but lost hard. They think i'm butt hurt, but i ain't the one losing shit, i'm actually profiting with that bullshit manipulation even not being part of those group of "idk what to call" people.

The thread is a warning. I'm still multiplying my exalts per hour.

I mean, i started this thread with 24 exalts, i'm with

Do you really think i'm here butt hurt? So, someone decide to alert how much you're losing and you blame them because... you're probably profiting too?

What a fucking joke.

Btw, i'm not even focusing on trading shit, i just grab some chaos here and there from gloves craft and band, 30 ex in some hours. People come here complain because they're profiting too, but they don't want anyone to know how shitty is that ex price. I mean, people are desperated now trying to buy my expensive items cuz ex prices went to shit. The community is just fucking over the economy, i'm just showing it.

I'm not a flipper or hoarder, i play the game, if someone just playing is doing a lot of ex per hour, something is kinda nonsense? AFter all, it is a gridning game, and i see no grind, all currency is coming while i just wait to fall asleep.

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I know it is difficult at times, but if you want this thread to become constructive, maybe you should quote and respond to those who are offering valuable insight into the topic.

I hoped that I had addressed the topic of your thread sufficiently enough that it would warrant a positive discussion between us and the rest of the community.

I understand your frustration, and I see the direction you are taking with respect to players selling in chaos instead of exalts for the sole purpose of flipping back to exalts since exalts are much cheaper now. One piece of advice (reminding myself first before reminding you) is to take a step back, breathe and look at what the other players here are trying to convey.

I look forward to discussing this topic with you.