Nothing wrong with Blade Flurry, it's not OP it just doesn't suck like typical melee

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allbusiness" wrote:

Why are you talking about HC like you've actually played it extensively? You've never even leveled past what, 80 in HC?

One more proof that you have no idea what you're talking about and you are basing yourself on assumptions only, nothing more.

And for your information ( because you still have no idea of the examples that I quoted, but you must be 100% right obviously ) :
Nugiyen's quite cheap builds uses double dipping with ... poison.
And that's a 100% application chance, and that stacks.

If you still think that the skill does not deal good damage, you are terribly mistaking, it's baffling how wrong you are and that you are not even trying to understand how/why.

He invested basically no passive in damage, you have no freaking clue what you are talking about here, literally none, you are trying to take everything out of your magic hat without a single piece of actual information.

And he had been doing that on a 5L all along, until level 95.
On a life build, by the way.

Most people are not trying to get BF nerfed because it has already been and It looks strong but not crazy right now, but you are really mistaking about it, it's amazing.

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Fruz wrote:

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allbusiness" wrote:

Why are you talking about HC like you've actually played it extensively? You've never even leveled past what, 80 in HC?

One more proof that you have no idea what you're talking about and you are basing yourself on assumptions only, nothing more.

And for your information ( because you still have no idea of the examples that I quoted, but you must be 100% right obviously ) :
Nugiyen's quite cheap builds uses double dipping with ... poison.
And that's a 100% application chance, and that stacks.

If you still think that the skill does not deal good damage, you are terribly mistaking, it's baffling how wrong you are and that you are not even trying to understand how/why.

He invested basically no passive in damage, you have no freaking clue what you are talking about here, literally none, you are trying to take everything out of your magic hat without a single piece of actual information.

And he had been doing that on a 5L all along, until level 95.
On a life build, by the way.

Most people are not trying to get BF nerfed because it has already been and It looks strong but not crazy right now, but you are really mistaking about it, it's amazing.

His build required a 5L and specific uniques and setups on his passive tree. My build literally required a fucking rare scepter with some cast speed on it to start dumpstering literally everything I came across, and only got better as I upgraded gear.

Double Dream Feather also was incredibly expensive at the beginning of the league, it only recently started dropping in price, and those are shit tier rolled ones too. And a decent rolled QotF or equivalent chest piece isn't exactly cheap either.


Compared to a....... 4L and a 3c rare scepter. Congrats.


But do pray tell me more about a league you've never gone into red maps on, or done any of the breach lords except for maybe fucking Xoph, lul.

Do you seriously think that he was playing something else before switching to dreamfeather ? ( things that he could have acquired day 1 ) ?
Do you think that projectPT has specific uniques also, as self found ? ( just another example ).

Half of the stats from DreamFeather he does not care at all, the point is to scale chaos damage from it ................. It's not difficult to get a dreamfeather with decent attack speed and some okay accuracy.

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Allbusiness wrote:

But do pray tell me more about a league you've never gone into red maps on, or done any of the breach lords except for maybe fucking Xoph, lul.

I would tell you that you have no idea what you are talking about, but I think that I said it couple of times already.

And you are farming Chayula on a regular basis with your flameblaster, right ?
/rofl

PS : Nugiyen destroyed Tul also.

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Fruz wrote:

Do you seriously think that he was playing something else before switching to dreamfeather ? ( things that he could have acquired day 1 ) ?
Do you think that projectPT has specific uniques also, as self found ? ( just another example ).

Half of the stats from DreamFeather he does not care at all, the point is to scale chaos damage from it ................. It's not difficult to get a dreamfeather with decent attack speed and some okay accuracy.

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Allbusiness wrote:

But do pray tell me more about a league you've never gone into red maps on, or done any of the breach lords except for maybe fucking Xoph, lul.

I would tell you that you have no idea what you are talking about, but I think that I said it couple of times already.

And you are farming Chayula on a regular basis with your flameblaster, right ?
/rofl

PS : Nugiyen destroyed Tul also.

But you said Nugiyen's build is cheap, when it clearly was not. The build requires 2 pretty specific uniques, 1 that was super expensive the first week (which was like 25+ chaos first week easily and still sits at 15c a piece), not to mention he was rolling on a 7k HP life build without a Kaoms, which meant he had heavy investment on his passive tree and high rolled jewels. How you can say that it's less investment vs a rare scepter 4l build that is capable of doing every Breachlord outside of Chayula and Uul-Netol (that's when you need more dps and sustain).

No one is regularly farming Chayula unless they are rolling in the dough and just buying breachstones/fragments left and right. That or you're playing 24/7 in a group and sharing your shards. But you wouldn't know that since you're still stuck farming Oasis maps.


LOL. You actually think Tul is hard. Holy fuck. LOL. Dear god, get out of Oasis/Desert/Crystal Vein maps, or stop 24/7 Dried Laking.

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Fruz wrote:

Most people are not trying to get BF nerfed because it has already been and It looks strong but not crazy right now, but you are really mistaking about it, it's amazing.

If I'm going to be fair Blade Flurry feels like garbage after the AoE nerf. Simply GARBAGE. Like it's not even fun to play it.

Secondly, the damage is only good, compared to melee skills!
Melee fucking sucks in general! 90% of melee skills are just weak and/or terrible mechanically..

For nearly everything else Blade Flurry's damage actually only contends! Melee actually exists? No way, I thought after they put everything they had into buttfucking the dirty slimy shit out of Earthquake that melee was absolutely done? Oh no, wait, no but it seems like everyone wants it to be?

This is the problem with ya all, you're just not happy until the latest good thing that's happened to melee is deleted, and why aren't ya happy? Because if melee is ever any good then you really have nothing to complain about anymore, right? Right?

You know I'm right, you define your role in new leagues little beyond complaining about how strong a melee skill is or how weak melee is in the meta. Fucking tell me I'm lying.

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Do_odle wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

Most people are not trying to get BF nerfed because it has already been and It looks strong but not crazy right now, but you are really mistaking about it, it's amazing.

If I'm going to be fair Blade Flurry feels like garbage after the AoE nerf. Simply GARBAGE. Like it's not even fun to play it.

Secondly, the damage is only good, compared to melee skills!

More misinformed nonsense.

By the way, I'm playig sunder at the moment, and I'm satisfied with its damage ( not saying that it's OP or anything obviously, but because some kid might just missread and throw some BS from that .... just in case ).

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Allbusiness wrote:

But you said Nugiyen's build is cheap, when it clearly was not.

It is pretty cheap.
And I said that it was cheap, and definitely more than your said "cheap setup with most expensive item being Doryani's Scepter".

And Tul is hard if you cannot have perma freeze / Chill immunity, yeah.
Or you are farming it regulary too ?
Why don't you stop talking and show us how good you are somehow ?
And when reach people want to run breaches, they buy the fragments, that's a line for captain obvious but ....

It's kinda pathetic how you're on your high horse and feel so good about yourself when you are terribly misinformed.
'dh my build is cheap, the most expensive item is Doryani's Scepter ! Compared to that, you don't do sh*t with BF without a heavy investment in gear and passive !!!'

/lol


Just to remind you, I never said that flameblast was expensive or anything, I was just debunking your baffling, misinformed nonsense :

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Allbusiness wrote:

And neither of them kill bosses as fast as I do.

And yes, they invested way more in their tree and gear than I did, meanwhile I have a Doryani's scepter at most which is the most expensive thing. Everything else I've dumped into defense/utility. And I'm fucking self cast Flameblast, which isn't even as remotely safe as Flameblast Totems.

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Fruz wrote:

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Do_odle wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

Most people are not trying to get BF nerfed because it has already been and It looks strong but not crazy right now, but you are really mistaking about it, it's amazing.

If I'm going to be fair Blade Flurry feels like garbage after the AoE nerf. Simply GARBAGE. Like it's not even fun to play it.

Secondly, the damage is only good, compared to melee skills!

More misinformed nonsense.

By the way, I'm playig sunder at the moment, and I'm satisfied with its damage ( not saying that it's OP or anything obviously, but because some kid might just missread and throw some BS from that .... just in case ).

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Allbusiness wrote:

But you said Nugiyen's build is cheap, when it clearly was not.

It is pretty cheap.
And I said that it was cheap, and definitely more than your said "cheap setup with most expensive item being Doryani's Scepter".

And Tul is hard if you cannot have perma freeze / Chill immunity, yeah.
Or you are farming it regulary too ?
Why don't you stop talking and show us how good you are somehow ?
And when reach people want to run breaches, they buy the fragments, that's a line for captain obvious but ....

It's kinda pathetic how you're on your high horse and feel so good about yourself when you are terribly misinformed.
'dh my build is cheap, the most expensive item is Doryani's Scepter ! Compared to that, you don't do sh*t with BF without a heavy investment in gear and passive !!!'

/lol


Just to remind you, I never said that flameblast was expensive or anything, I was just debunking your baffling, misinformed nonsense :

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Allbusiness wrote:

And neither of them kill bosses as fast as I do.

And yes, they invested way more in their tree and gear than I did, meanwhile I have a Doryani's scepter at most which is the most expensive thing. Everything else I've dumped into defense/utility. And I'm fucking self cast Flameblast, which isn't even as remotely safe as Flameblast Totems.

It's funny that you still haven't gotten to 80 in HC yet and you're still talking like you actually know anything.


I was doing Breachlords with a Rare scepter. Doryani's just made it faster. And yeah, dual Dream Feathers, a 5L, and an added chaos gem certainly more


And yes, Tul is easy as fuck.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvpqx4ATBp4


Congrats on demonstarating your lack of mechanical skill if you think a Flameblast character doesn't annihilate Tul.


And yes, I do actually kill Breachlords faster than most Bfury characters. Only those who have serious gear kill it faster. They may do it 'safer' because they can actually just afk tank it, but that has nothing to do with the skill, mostly just that lifesteal in general is dumb.

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Fruz wrote:

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

You dont use Reave without Vaal Reave, the numbers you are putting up are for a 4 stack Reave, Reave doesnt only have 4 stacks, it has 8 stacks. This is the problem with these convos and balancing the game around the mob mentality. Ive actually played all this stuff, extensively, and Ive played the alternatives like bows and spells, extensively. I have 18 lvl90+ characters, fuzz has 2, you have 1. Whens the last time you played a proper Reave build? An aoe groundslam build? I was playing one 10 days ago.

Thing is, should the game be balanced only around clearspeed "freaks" which are probably a small minority (compared to the global playerbase, yes) ?
Because reaves does likeley not feel the same if you are just going full speed, ignoring most drops and just not caring about most monsters as they blow up.
I personally dislike doing this, I like to go at a slower pace, enjoy what the game has to offer ( including the graphics / environment for example ), this is also why I don't have more than 2 chars over 90 ( also I might get bored more quickly idk ).

Because Reave most likely does not feel the same if you're going "full clearspeed and fuck the rest" mode or not.
In which case BF will feel easier to use, it also does not put much pressure on the user as you do not need to hurry to kill everything otherwise you loose AOE.

Also I think that Emphasy (and I too) is saying that it had a very good AOE, and now it has a correct AOE instead, which gives it less coverage than a fully stacked reave of course.

Im not really a clearspeed freak, I do actually loot most things. The vid I linked was just a test done on a spare lower level char, was talking with a friend about reave, specced a lvl80something ranger roughly and did a recorded gorge run to show him. My actual reave character is a lvl95 ci witch and she picks stuff up. I still keep my reave stacks up while looting, you leave a mob alive to hit again before you whirl off to next pack, theres a method to it.



regarding balancing around speeders, somewhat offtopic talk so spoiler..



I totally get what you are saying about bf being good for the sort of play you describe, and I think thats a healthy thing. Skills have the niche, this skill is better here and that is better elsewhere, thats a good place to have the balance.

Thing is that a lot of how a skills power is measured is in how much stuff it can kill in as little time as possible. Power is a measure of efficiency, efficiency is a lot to do with speed, so if we are essentially saying BF is too efficient when you are not playing efficiently then what point is rly being made? Bf is really overpowrred when you are playing in a really underpowered fashion. Its the skills people are using to speed clear content lelcopter fashion that are resulting in the most loot per hour, most xp per hour, trivialising maps, killing everything before it can be any threat, thats what concerns me more balance wise than what people who plod along slowly getting small xp, small loot etc are doing.

The boss issue is real, you cant write off the power of being a good boss killer. Thats where BF is strong, thats where vortex was strong. Id argue vortex was a far bigger issue there. Its what Bf does well and it needs to do something well because its not clearing maps in the fashion of the video I linked. I think BF is ok where it is now, I think you feel the same, I dotn think we really disagree that much tbh.

Flurry, Reave, Frostblades, quake, these things are doing ok when compared to skills across the game including bows, spells, traps. Other melee skills need to come up to this level, these things shouldnt be taken down imo otherwise melee is always gonna be shit.

^
I agree with that.
BF now does seem good, I cannot talk much about reave, but BF definitely feels easier to use ( not that I am saying that skills that are less user-friendly should have a higher skill cap and have more potential, at all ).
Other melee skills do not more attention, I am enjoying sunder atm but I know that other skills perform much better for example ( still I kinda like it, it's not really melee in many situations but oh, well ... ), but I do not like just adding new fotm melee skills instead of giving some love to the old ones.
But the melee "rework" seems to be coming in 3.0.0, so we will see.

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allbusiness wrote:

It's funny that you still haven't gotten to 80 in HC yet

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Fruz wrote:

I would tell you that you have no idea what you are talking about, but I think that I said it couple of times already.

And the guy ( with a Doryani's scepter ) has enough dps to kill him before the place gets crowded with totems / add or whatever, making him under peram freeze immunity also.

Nugiyen was killing it much faster with a double DreamFeather setup, np.
With cheaper gear.
And much faster.
( Without the need for vaal lightning trap I think, not sure ).
Taking Added chaos damage gem and a 5L into account for a setup price nowadays in PoE is just ridiculous, are you actually being serious ?

And I think that we all know how much damage flameblast deals, and that it is one of the best skills atm.
I often underestimate its damage tbh, it's just crazy .... but in this case, well .....

Swapped to blade vortex back to killing stuff HOW I SHOULD be with god gear in less then a second uber / shaper less then a second.

See THIS IS A BUILD

This is a god build

Not this blade flurry bullshit even with god tier gear this shit is garbage never listening to this community again.

HRUURURRRR OPPPP IT'S OPPPP it's op compared to melee skills sure but that's just other melee skills being complete dick.

Sold all my blade flurry gear for a solid 70 ex

Fuck yeah.