Labyrinth in POE == slice of pie with a piece of crap on it

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gibbousmoon wrote:

You responded to the OP directly (you even quoted him/her) with a statement completely unrelated and very easy to shoot down.

You seem to have troubles reading and understanding what you read (or just want to nitpick semantics). It's pretty clear in my post that I attribute that statement to a general Lab-hater's view, not to OP.

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morbo wrote:

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gibbousmoon wrote:

You responded to the OP directly (you even quoted him/her) with a statement completely unrelated and very easy to shoot down.

You seem to have troubles reading and understanding what you read (or just want to nitpick semantics). It's pretty clear in my post that I attribute that statement to a general Lab-hater's view, not to OP.

Really?

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morbo wrote:

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sarsapari wrote:

The point is, as long as the list of people who hate this content continue to grow, GGG is going to have to take notice.

Wait a minute, how is the list of Lab haters growing, if "people are quitting in mass, because of the Lab"? It cant be both. The Lab destructive reach even crashed HC exalt markets, apparently.

I thought the official Lab-hater stance was that people are quitting in droves? Which means less players who hate the Lab, which means less reasons to "fix" the Lab.

Looks pretty obvious to me that you consider that statement to be a rebuttal to the OP's statement.

But I'll play your game, and say for the sake of argument that it wasn't, and that my reading comprehension is poor, as you claim.

The counter-argument you put forth is still irrelevant to the OP's objections and statements.

And irrelevant and easy-to-shoot-down arguments which run counter to your own remain straw men. Like I said, it's the easiest-to-spot fallacy.

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sarsapari wrote:

I noticed pretty quickly lab defenders basically stop at nothing and resort immediately to ad hominem attacks to derail the situation.

Sure, and you're totally not the same as these awful guys, no-no.
Let me remind you your second post in your own thread which was the reply to the comment.
It is definitely very well-thought, serious, sophisticated and doesn't fall into "ad hominem" category.
Oh, wait...

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sarsapari wrote:

Zinger for 100? Zinger for 100!

Nice try kiddo, go derail somewhere else.

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sarsapari wrote:

I wrote it off as poorly concealed self interest. The situation is kind of hilarious and can pretty much be compared to american political debate.

It (and almost every other "Labyrinth-triggered" thread) can also be compared to any SJW "performance".
Still doesn't make it reasonable and meaningful.

P.S. Lab "not lovers" (let's call you in this manner), please, come up with some thought-out ideas, then you'd be heared (and not mocked for 100th time).

And please, stop making "Labyrinth changes" requests similar to medieval witchhunt...
It's more annoying rather than "forces to think about the subject"; and i can totally understand on WHY are GGG still silent about all of these -_-

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HarukaTeno wrote:

Sure, and you're totally not the same as these awful guys, no-no.
Let me remind you your second post in your own thread which was the reply to the comment.
It is definitely very well-thought, serious, sophisticated and doesn't fall into "ad hominem" category.
Oh, wait...

Ah right. It's quite convenient to skim the part where I was responding to an immediate personal attack on the first reply.

But self righteous vindication with no justification is always correct, no? So let's just gloss over the details and play a game of nitpicking.
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HarukaTeno wrote:

And please, stop making "Labyrinth changes" requests similar to medieval witchhunt...
It's more annoying rather than "forces to think about the subject"; and i can totally understand on WHY are GGG still silent about all of these -_-

And why should anyone ever do that?

In fact for anyone reading this and hates lab. I urge you to voice your opinion on the matter.

If you're leaving, great, think of it as a negative rating on the game and voice your opinion on why you had negative feedback. Like you had a bad dining experience and you're leaving a negative yelp review.

If lab has pushed the game in a very negative direction to you like it has for me and, apparently 260 threads worth of other people. Great let GGG know.

It's up to GGG to make the final call, but let's face it. Volume matters, and regardless of what these self righteous vindictive white knights want to say to keep you from voicing your opinion with personal attacks. At the end of the day if a lab change is in order, none of that even matters.

Edit: First post updated with information to encourage those who feel the a lab change is in order to voice their opinion. Keep it up guys, your suggestions are great.

A vocal minority is still a minority. Just more annoying.

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Mythabril wrote:

A vocal minority is still a minority. Just more annoying.

You're not wrong.

Of course, it bears mentioning that lab defenders in the forums are also a vocal minority.

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sarsapari wrote:

It's up to GGG to make the final call, but let's face it. Volume matters, and regardless of what these self righteous vindictive white knights want to say to keep you from voicing your opinion with personal attacks. At the end of the day if a lab change is in order, none of that even matters.

Edit: First post updated with information to encourage those who feel the a lab change is in order to voice their opinion. Keep it up guys, your suggestions are great.

Excuse me, have you missed this BIG ASS THREAD with almost 300 pages of responses? There is no need for yet another one, believe me. No need to pile up suggestions, because there are shitton of these in that thread already.

And about your WK part... You keep on repeating that, instead of actually addressing anything.
And when you take your head out of your ass, you'll notice that people can disagree with you, YET SUPPORT YOUR CAUSE. It cannot happen if you keep on insisting that they are WKs, or anything else, instead of actually talking to them. I, honestly I'm tired of being called WK, while I did more towards changing the Lab than you.

Yes, I have supported the change to the Lab - look up the thread and find the Labyrinth Rework Ideas. I suggested a way to change the Lab. I've even made a separate thread with my suggestion (which I wouldn't even use - the suggested method, not the thread), which drowned, because Lab-Haters weren't interested in participating in discussion (well, at least very few were). They, instead, kept on spamming with threads OH MI FUKIN GOD I HAET LAB, which even improved the rate at which the thread was drowning.

But still - all of this does not mean I'll take shitty arguments, that only state THIS ES SHIT I DUN LIEK CUEZ REASONZ. If you don't want to discuss anything, and just wanted to vent out about not liking the Lab, I'm gonna go ahead and tell you that this isn't very useful information.

Ps.

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gibbousmoon wrote:

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Mythabril wrote:

A vocal minority is still a minority. Just more annoying.

You're not wrong.

Of course, it bears mentioning that lab defenders in the forums are also a vocal minority.

The whole forum is a minority. They're not even representative numbers. People just love to pretend they matter.

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gibbousmoon wrote:

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Mythabril wrote:

A vocal minority is still a minority. Just more annoying.

You're not wrong.

Of course, it bears mentioning that lab defenders in the forums are also a vocal minority.

I find it funny how rabid these lab defenders are. It's almost like the Louis CK skit on homophobia, like why does it matter to you how other people are getting ascendency points?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d63ClccjjE

Then you realize it ties into shameless self interest profiteering and it suddenly has a meta sense of humor to it.

So maybe white knight isn't the right term. Morally ambiguous gray knight?

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Mythabril wrote:

The whole forum is a minority

of supporters?

occasionally challenged by some players that want to vent about issues that they're either not skilled enough to master or functionality that's not fitting into the niche category they put poe into? + some peeps looking for tech and game help?

agreed!