Labyrinth in POE == slice of pie with a piece of crap on it

It's both irrelevant to the rest of the game and completely disgusting.

I can minimize the amount of crap I have to eat every time I make a new character, but that doesn't change the fact that I'm forced into doing it with every new character I make.

I play POE for an action RPG involving fighting and killing that encourages experimentation. I do not play POE for half baked dark souls + nethack. I play roguelikes and souls games and I love both as separate entities, not when I'm forced into trekking a 30 minute slosh of trap dodging with garbage moba clickmove controls.

Having mandatory content in a game completely removed from the main game is the equivalent of something like a new Tekken game is released, you start with 75% of the characters locked and the only way to unlock 75% of the cast is to full clear Tekken Force mode multiple times. This might appeal to the selective people who are OK with grinding away at the tedium of doing pointless fights through half assed stages, but most people get Tekken to fight their buddies, not play a minigame that has zero relevance to the main game.

For the sake of argument, I can clear lab fine, I just dread the concept of having to redo this ordeal multiple times each time I remake a character.

I understand theres been around 260 other threads with the same topic, so I'm just adding my feather to the camel's back.

I like this game, and for the most part I appreciate GGG's mentality on how they operate. If you want to add challenging content to the game, add it in a way that's more in line with how the game operates. Don't bait and switch your audience, that's both manipulative and insulting.



Let GGG know what you think of lab

If you're leaving, great, think of it as a negative rating on the game and voice your opinion on why you had negative feedback. Like you had a bad dining experience and you're leaving a negative yelp review.

If lab has pushed the game in a very negative direction to you like it has for me and, apparently 260 threads worth of other people. Great let GGG know.

It's up to GGG to make the final call, but let's face it. Volume matters.

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sarsapari wrote:

For the sake of argument, I can clear lab fine, I just dread the concept of having to redo this ordeal multiple times each time I remake a character.

If you think it is an 'ordeal', I would argue that you probably can't clear it 'fine'.

Zinger for 100? Zinger for 100!

Nice try kiddo, go derail somewhere else.

If you spend "30 minutes" in the Lab, you aren't doing "just fine".

Lab isn't mandatory either. You can skip them until you are 80+ with a fully geared up char and then spend like 30min max, doing all the quest labs at once.

You can skip Uber altogether, if you don't want to min-max your char. The same way you skip levelling to 100.

All I will say is that, since the lab has been added, I am more hesitant to create multiple builds during a league.

The game has 3 loops and 4 labs on top of it, and that's just annoying chores each time you want to try a different build, be it for the sake of experimenting or whatever.

Having to do the trials only once was a good start, but at this point I think it would be OK to get the points after completing each difficulty, provided you own a character in the same league, that has done the lab beforehand. Uber lab is OK as a stand-alone, but the other lab runs are just unnecessary.

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sarsapari wrote:

Zinger for 100? Zinger for 100!

Nice try kiddo, go derail somewhere else.

Kid argument used in the first reply. You lost. :(

Addressing the same argument (the Repetition) of yours - aren't you bothered by doing literally everything else again and again? How is Lab somehow different in being repeated? Even more - Lab is one of the few things that have one of its elements REMOVED if you re-roll - namely, Trials. So in fact, it is even less of a hassle than everything else.

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[...] not when I'm forced into trekking a 30 minute slosh of trap dodging with garbage moba clickmove controls.

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[...] I can clear lab fine [...]

I'm not so sure... :V Normal/Cruel/Merci Lab usually takes me round ~10 minutes to complete. Uber might take a little longer, depending on what build I'm running atm, but my Lightning Strike (!!!) DEADEYE did it just fine. I can say that I'm clearing it fine. You're struggling.

Regardless, the damage has been done.

I'm just chiming in along with the slew of others who hate this content. Feel free to make as many personal insults and nitpicks as possible. The point is, as long as the list of people who hate this content continue to grow, GGG is going to have to take notice.

So uh, get rekt.

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Perq wrote:

Addressing the same argument (the Repetition) of yours - aren't you bothered by doing literally everything else again and again?

Have to run lab 15 times - "oh god the pain, it's too much!"
Read through 260 lab complaint threads - "hmm I think I'd like another thread please."

Thanks for the bump! Keep going bro, you're doing great!

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sarsapari wrote:

The point is, as long as the list of people who hate this content continue to grow, GGG is going to have to take notice.

Wait a minute, how is the list of Lab haters growing, if "people are quitting in mass, because of the Lab"? It cant be both. The Lab destructive reach even crashed HC exalt markets, apparently.

I thought the official Lab-hater stance was that people are quitting in droves? Which means less players who hate the Lab, which means less reasons to "fix" the Lab.