[2.6] THE NEW FAKENER | DISCHARGE | SUPER FAST STRANDS | Cospris Malice | 9k+ ES | STILL GREAT AOE

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ramler wrote:

Hey !!, nice build verry effective !!...1 question do...ive made a bit difrent tree . whent down under duelist and grabed Vitality void for leech from atack damage , if i check disccharge it show the 2% life leech , but is it considered an atack do ?

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Fire309 wrote:

If you're using coc linked with blade vortex in your chest setup or CWDT, wouldn't firestorm be better? I looked at another player's build, and it seems firestorm hits a lot more now that BV hit rate was nerfed. For instance, with the firestorm dps calculator on wiki:

4 firestorms (500 ms coc cooldown, firestorm lasts 2 secs) with conc effect and 30% inc area on tree hits 8.4 times/sec. That's on a humanoid enemy, which means bosses are much bigger. BV on the other hand, even at 20 stacks (nearly impossible) gets only 5 hits a sec. Thats not even counting firestorm linked with CWDT.

Thoughts? (firestorm is also way. way. way. easier to color) Could someone test this out? Not sure if the calculator is entirely reliable.

Edit: Just tried, I think firestorm definitely gives more charges.

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primaeva wrote:

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Fire309 wrote:

If you're using coc linked with blade vortex in your chest setup or CWDT, wouldn't firestorm be better? I looked at another player's build, and it seems firestorm hits a lot more now that BV hit rate was nerfed. For instance, with the firestorm dps calculator on wiki:

4 firestorms (500 ms coc cooldown, firestorm lasts 2 secs) with conc effect and 30% inc area on tree hits 8.4 times/sec. That's on a humanoid enemy, which means bosses are much bigger. BV on the other hand, even at 20 stacks (nearly impossible) gets only 5 hits a sec. Thats not even counting firestorm linked with CWDT.

Thoughts? (firestorm is also way. way. way. easier to color) Could someone test this out? Not sure if the calculator is entirely reliable.

Edit: Just tried, I think firestorm definitely gives more charges.

Hi Fire,

I had concerns with Firestorm messing with EE, but will definitely test this out soon. I think I've completed ALL the high-priority testing (including a LL Shav's Skyforth's, complete disaster that took 12 min to down Shaper). RIP my chromes. :D


I don't think we want to run a Conc effect though? The 6L is already starved. Cyclone doesn't benefit much from Conc Effect and so Increased Crit Strikes and PCoC is more important.

By the way, to note: PCoC only gives one charge per cast, that much I'm certain. So we're talking 4 firestorms giving one charge each time it crits, could you do the math for me? (I'm new to Firestorm mechanics but basically it sounds like we get 1 charge every 500ms as only one crit ball counts.)

Not sure if Voll's charge generation is beholden to the same restrictions. That's why Firestorm need not necessarily outperform BV at the moment (plus BV hits like a truck). Plus, I've reason to suspect that double PCoC + 2 instances of BV is actually adding potentially 3 power charges (if the 54%s roll positive and all crit) each time BV hits. I think I'll need to enter PvP to test this, if I can find a friend to help I will.

EDIT: Voll's gives per crit, that's nice! Let's see if this works out later - will drop PCoC on chest for Firestorm and technically it should outperform PCoC - especially if I don't mess around with the skill duration nodes. (Still worried about EE).

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maddognils wrote:

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primaeva wrote:

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Fire309 wrote:

If you're using coc linked with blade vortex in your chest setup or CWDT, wouldn't firestorm be better? I looked at another player's build, and it seems firestorm hits a lot more now that BV hit rate was nerfed. For instance, with the firestorm dps calculator on wiki:

4 firestorms (500 ms coc cooldown, firestorm lasts 2 secs) with conc effect and 30% inc area on tree hits 8.4 times/sec. That's on a humanoid enemy, which means bosses are much bigger. BV on the other hand, even at 20 stacks (nearly impossible) gets only 5 hits a sec. Thats not even counting firestorm linked with CWDT.

Thoughts? (firestorm is also way. way. way. easier to color) Could someone test this out? Not sure if the calculator is entirely reliable.

Edit: Just tried, I think firestorm definitely gives more charges.

Hi Fire,

I had concerns with Firestorm messing with EE, but will definitely test this out soon. I think I've completed ALL the high-priority testing (including a LL Shav's Skyforth's, complete disaster that took 12 min to down Shaper). RIP my chromes. :D


I don't think we want to run a Conc effect though? The 6L is already starved. Cyclone doesn't benefit much from Conc Effect and so Increased Crit Strikes and PCoC is more important.

By the way, to note: PCoC only gives one charge per cast, that much I'm certain. So we're talking 4 firestorms giving one charge each time it crits, could you do the math for me? (I'm new to Firestorm mechanics but basically it sounds like we get 1 charge every 500ms as only one crit ball counts.)

Not sure if Voll's charge generation is beholden to the same restrictions. That's why Firestorm need not necessarily outperform BV at the moment (plus BV hits like a truck). Plus, I've reason to suspect that double PCoC + 2 instances of BV is actually adding potentially 3 power charges (if the 54%s roll positive and all crit) each time BV hits. I think I'll need to enter PvP to test this, if I can find a friend to help I will.

EDIT: Voll's gives per crit, that's nice! Let's see if this works out later - will drop PCoC on chest for Firestorm and technically it should outperform PCoC - especially if I don't mess around with the skill duration nodes. (Still worried about EE).

Spoiler

Just tested on 4 white minotaurs quickly on standard (only place I got a discharge character)

Pcoc & Discharge 49 seconds.

BV & Pcoc. 55 seconds

Firestorm & Conc. 1 min 5 seconds.

Firestorm & Discharge. 1 min 12 seconds.

I assume firestorm is messing with EE somehow, if the claims that it generates several charges per cast is true. This is with a 30% consumption discharge helmet.

It's very possible I already had overkill charge generation for firestorm to do anything, and therfore just providing nothing but positive resists.

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primaeva wrote:

Woah, that's a great idea for testing, crap. I've been doing Shapers which introduces so many variables, I had to watch health bars which almost never pop on this build.

I'll test BV - Firestorm - Discharge versus PCoC - Firestorm - Discharge tonight. :) there's no question the second Discharge is necessary, for me it's whether dropping PCoC for Firestorm will work out better (since the secondary BV has PCoC on it anyway.)

I did the research regarding PCoC: BV is the only exception which breaks the PCoC one charge per cast rule. Hence it's mandatory along with Discharge.

P.s. is this starting from Boss room and facetanking? Or right out the map?

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maddognils wrote:

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primaeva wrote:

Woah, that's a great idea for testing, crap. I've been doing Shapers which introduces so many variables, I had to watch health bars which almost never pop on this build.

I'll test BV - Firestorm - Discharge versus PCoC - Firestorm - Discharge tonight. :) there's no question the second Discharge is necessary, for me it's whether dropping PCoC for Firestorm will work out better (since the secondary BV has PCoC on it anyway.)

I did the research regarding PCoC: BV is the only exception which breaks the PCoC one charge per cast rule. Hence it's mandatory along with Discharge.

P.s. is this starting from Boss room and facetanking? Or right out the map?

I'd encourage you to try it yourself for sure, I don't believe my standard character is greatly optimized. I started the timer right as I popped vaal haste & vaal disc -> shield charge in and proceeded to facetank the boss for the remaider of the duration.

Malice links were LL, conc, discharge.

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primaeva wrote:

BV - Firestorm - Discharge (No PCoC) = 31 seconds.

Holy shit.

Uploading the video.

EDIT: Here it is. Of course I died, I got greedy for culling as usual. Maybe 32 secs. :D

https://youtu.be/4Br2yjioCw4


Testing BV - Discharge - PCoC now. (I can't test Firestorm - Discharge - PCoC until I buy a chest with the right colours, not willing to chrome mine right now.)