[2.4] CI/LL Blade Vortex Pathfinder

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ToastedToasters wrote:

Man, it's really hard to take any of this guide seriously having faster casting suggested over spell echo.

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poeblader wrote:

question on crafting a better dagger is it better to use anguish for the spell damage or scorn for the crit?

also is like 1-44 cold damage to spells or something similar good on the wep as well

is it right to think the pefect dagger is spell damage/spell crit/damage to spells and then craft attack speed like this one

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2ez4popo wrote:

What are the upgrades you can do to farm uber atziri?

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Purexec wrote:

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2ez4popo wrote:

What are the upgrades you can do to farm uber atziri?

If you have all the flasks and whatnot probably LL to deal more damage. You can also try getting (more) critmulti, but that'll be pretty hard to do. Other than that there aren't any bigger upgrades I'm aware of we could get, mostly just minmaxing.

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2ez4popo wrote:

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Purexec wrote:

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2ez4popo wrote:

What are the upgrades you can do to farm uber atziri?

If you have all the flasks and whatnot probably LL to deal more damage. You can also try getting (more) critmulti, but that'll be pretty hard to do. Other than that there aren't any bigger upgrades I'm aware of we could get, mostly just minmaxing.

Or maybe the best upgrade is 6L right? Do you think you can do uber atziri with 10k ES on a 5L?

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I don't know why you felt the need to compensate, but I'll change it if you make a good point about it. Currently 92, doing T16s and I still haven't felt the need for it. SE might be a superior choice if you aren't using 2020s, but I dont see any benefits if you do. Things have changed.

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ToastedToasters wrote:

I mean, it's pretty simple math, and that's coming from someone with 0 math skills. Let's say you got a Level 20 Faster Casting and a Level 20 Spell Echo. No quality.

I'm going to call the slight mana cost increase on Spell Echo negligible, with this build if you are tree'd properly, mana regen shouldn't be an issue.

39% Cast Speed Vs. 70% Cast Speed (-10% Damage).

For sake of easy math, Blade Vortex does 100 Damage per second, and you cast it once per second.
Faster Casting will instead let you do 100 damage every .61 seconds.

With Spell Echo, you can now do 90 damage every .3 seconds.

Let's take 3 consecutive casts of BV with faster casting, you're now at 300 dps in 1.83 seconds.

3 consecutive casts of BV with Spell Echo, you're now at 270 dps in .9 seconds.

Giving spell echo the same amount of needed casting time, you'll be doing roughly 540 dps vs. 300 dps with faster casting. Almost 2 times the amount of DPS.

And with two 20/20 quality gems, this is only compounded, with the Spell Echo entirely losing its 10% damage loss, and FC only managing to gain up to 49% attack speed. Still less than Spell Echo.

And if you still don't agree with me, I think looking at the leaderboards for any League and seeing everyone running Spell Echo over Faster Casting, with Faster Casting being relegated to being used from level 18-38 only speaks for itself.

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I know and I did this on purpose. We don't have any problems clearing even if we only have 5 stacks and we don't just run into an pack and cast it then, we always have BV charges up. The only reason to go SE I can see is to make this build more mobile vs. bosses, but even then it strongly depends on the boss you're going to fight. FC has higher total damage, SE has a faster buildup. I still think both are viable choices and it's fine if you don't agree with me, but please mind your mannerisms. Optimizing a build is part of creating a build guide, so please just be constructive next time. Thanks for your feedback.

I updated the guide nevertheless. I wanted to add LL and a FAQ anyway as I've been asked the same questions multiple times already, especially in game.