A suggestion to make lab haters and lovers happy at the same time

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Turtledove wrote:

For example, the final Izaro battle is arpg gameplay not trap gameplay because the focus is on killing Izaro not avoiding traps.

So...more harder monsters in with the traps and the game is back to your definition of arpg. I think GGG can do that without much problem. Other than even more complaints that monsters block the paths and make you die to traps.

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mynameisonlyforthegods wrote:

quests and storymode are mandatory content to progress. labyrinth is optional content made mandatory due to rewards. i have 100% faith in you not understanding this even after explanation.

So making the optional mandatory quests be mandatory mandatory would stop some complaints? Stop letting people skip labyrinth and make it part of the questline?

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goetzjam wrote:

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Shredzilly wrote:

I'd be perfectly fine with them removing the lab, if they removed the rewards with it. You don't want to do the content, then you don't get the reward. Simple as that.

Which is "i don´t wanna"

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mark1030 wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

For example, the final Izaro battle is arpg gameplay not trap gameplay because the focus is on killing Izaro not avoiding traps.

So...more harder monsters in with the traps and the game is back to your definition of arpg. I think GGG can do that without much problem. Other than even more complaints that monsters block the paths and make you die to traps.

I get the impression that you may be trying to be obtuse on purpose but depending on implementation, yes that could possibly work as far as I'm concerned.

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

"Trap gameplay" last i checked theres no gaming genre called "Trap".

You dont dictate what something is and isnt, get over it and yourself, seriously.

You can use what name for trap gameplay that you like. It is the gameplay that is in games like TombRaider, Prince of Persia, Frogger, and Mario.

I do get to dictate what gameplay means to me. You think that your perception is the only way to perceive the world? You are trying to dictate to me what of my perceptions are right or wrong based on your own self-centered perceptions. You really are not the center of the world. I'm not saying that your perceptions are wrong only that our perceptions can be different and still both be correct.

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Turtledove wrote:

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

"Trap gameplay" last i checked theres no gaming genre called "Trap".

You dont dictate what something is and isnt, get over it and yourself, seriously.

You can use what name for trap gameplay that you like. It is the gameplay that is in games like TombRaider, Prince of Persia, Frogger, and Mario.

I do get to dictate what gameplay means to me. You think that your perception is the only way to perceive the world? You are trying to dictate to me what of my perceptions are right or wrong based on your own self-centered perceptions. You really are not the center of the world. I'm not saying that your perceptions are wrong only that our perceptions can be different and still both be correct.

Who said im at the center of the world ? I know i didnt.

This just in, perceptions are subjective and therefore can be wrong. The irony in your statement is that youre saying people cant dictate how you perceive things, while trying to force your ideals on to others.

The ones being self centered here are the ones refusing to acknowledge their perception is wrong because its subjective and not based on facts.

Ill freely admit im wrong when im proven wrong with actual FACTS and not being told im wrong by subjective opinions, which are completely wrong.

Ive played all the games you keep listing, none of them play even remotely similarly to labyrinth, most people who have legitimately played those titles agree.

People giving the comparisons are comparing simply out of comparisons sake regardless of how shallow their comparison is. The videogames you compared it to are literally "oh theres traps, they must be the exact same!" or in the Frogger and Mario case "Oh, you can die if you mess up! MUST BE THE EXACT SAME".

Such shallow comparisons are wrong. The games dont play even remotely the same and with such shallow comparisons quite literally ANY game can be compared.

Edit - Heres an E Z comparison.

Apples and Oranges. Both are Fruits, thats undeniable, but what is deniable is that theyre the same. Both have different appearances, both have different smells, both are different colors, both have different textures, etc, the list goes on. Outside from a few trivial factual comparisons like, theyre both fruit and they both have seeds, NEITHER are even remotely similar in what actually matters.

Can someone show me a Gauntlet video with 2-3 screens full of traps and nothing else? Probably not.
Can someone show me a Mario video with 2-3 screens full of traps and nothing else? Only every mario video out there.

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Pyrokar wrote:

Can someone show me a Gauntlet video with 2-3 screens full of traps and nothing else? Probably not.
Can someone show me a Mario video with 2-3 screens full of traps and nothing else? Only every mario video out there.

Fall off the map is traps ? Jumping onto a spike turtle is a trap ? Running into a Mushroom is a trap ? Running into spinning fireballs are traps ? Jumping onto man eating plants are traps ? Running into squids are traps ?

I dont think youve played Mario before if you think Mario is full of traps, especially not the original. Your definition of "trap" is literally anything that can kill you in mario, regardless of the fact that they arent traps.

Youre completely over exaggerating labyrinth trap density by the way, guess the lack of doing it would attribute to the fact you dont understand that though.

Hey you can say black is white all you want. I am just pointing out the bullshit.

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Pyrokar wrote:

Hey you can say black is white all you want. I am just pointing out the bullshit.

Pointing out what bullshit ? Your own which is the fact that youre saying anything that can kill you in a game is a trap ? That seems to be the case.

Its actually pretty sad that you guys can sit there straight faced and believe that its even remotely comparable.

The biggest part of that argument that you completely leave out is the fact you literally die if you touch them once, and you reset, that is unless you get a mushroom but theres only soo many mushrooms, you dont have an infinite amount of retries. In Labyrinth you dont touch something and instantly die, you arent punished for mistakes. It takes quite a bit of effort to actually die from traps. Thats a huge difference that youre leaving out.

Your argument is literally "it kills me in this game, so its comparable !".

But hey, if you want to sit there making really shallow comparisons that dont hold any ground youre free to do so. It just makes your argument that much more difficult for anyone to take seriously.