Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support DONE!!!!!

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mark1030 wrote:

Turtle, I know there are alt accounts. You know there are alt accounts. How many? Nobody knows. So it's irrelevant other than to acknowledge they exist and some have posted. I have an alt account made January 2014. If the account name wasn't obviously an alt of mine, I could easily post and by your standards, you'd assume it was a unique poster. I even have a supporter pack I could display on it if I wanted. And you'd justify your assumption by saying there could be lots of reasons for an alt account. Sure there are. I made the alt account so I could give myself waypoints and mule some stuff away and level 2 sets of masters in leagues. But that doesn't mean I couldn't use the alt account to pretend I'm just another +1 in an argument. Still all irrelevant other than the acknowledgement that nobody knows who or how many alt accounts there are. Claiming otherwise is just a guess. That's what Shovelcut was trying to argue. Nobody knows. Not you and not me. So it's pointless to argue about whether or not your guess is accurate.

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mark1030 wrote:

Still all irrelevant other than the acknowledgement that nobody knows who or how many alt accounts there are. Claiming otherwise is just a guess. That's what Shovelcut was trying to argue. Nobody knows. Not you and not me. So it's pointless to argue about whether or not your guess is accurate.

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Xavderion wrote:

This thread is still going? I feel like most people don't care enough about lab to give a shit. If you really don't like it you just skip it until you're powerful enough to faceroll it in 10 minutes.

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THIS is the ACTUAL majority opinion. The Lab Haters would have you believe otherwise, but the ACTUAL majority just do not give a fuck, and have learned the lab mechanics to the point that it is a fucking cakewalk.

You're actually (partially) right. Most people have adapted to the fact that there is an unfun and deeply flawed part of the game that is now a prerequisite to endgame play for most builds. They tolerate it, they cheese it, and/or they pay someone else to run them through it. Many have even accepted it, despite their own lack of personal enjoyment.

None of the above has any bearing on whether or not the status quo is good, however. So your statement, which for the sake of argument let's say is 100% true, is of questionable relevance to the issue at hand.

A portion of the game required for character development that is hated by a significant minority of players, and barely tolerated by another significant minority, has hurt the game and its community, and it will continue to hurt the game and its community for as long as it remains in this state. The issue comes up again and again in first-impression threads by new players who join the forums to say how much they hate the lab. And then this shit starts all over again, with people insulting each other and trolling each other and yelling at each other for having opinions which are not shared, and for making yet another thread (as if that new user has any idea of the forum's history).

This is BAD for the game. It will continue to be BAD for the game.

You can argue that the feelings of people who don't share your opinion are "wrong" until you are blue in the face, but it will not change that reality.

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mark1030 wrote:

Still all irrelevant other than the acknowledgement that nobody knows who or how many alt accounts there are. Claiming otherwise is just a guess. That's what Shovelcut was trying to argue. Nobody knows. Not you and not me. So it's pointless to argue about whether or not your guess is accurate.

This guy gets it. Here I though I failed to get my point across. :D

I'm not bothered by the list itself*, what I have an issue with is denoting when accounts were made and if they have supporter packs as some kind of proof that they aren't alt accounts. To me it comes across as a dishonest and desperate way to give more weight to the anti-laby movement.

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Other than the obvious use of threads that serve no purpose other than to artificially inflate the total number of laby hate threads. It actually hurts the anti-laby movement because if any of the devs actually care enough to look thru the list, they have to wade thru a ton of shit posts before they reach the feedback gold that is in there.

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borbalaago wrote:

i cannot agree more, im really glad i found this thread, i thought i was the only one hating the Lab mechanics

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Turtledove wrote:

Again, it is a known fact that there is not a handful of labyrinth haters that have significantly padded the count of people in the list. This has been proven by the analysis of the account creation dates.

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mark1030 wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

Again, it is a known fact that there is not a handful of labyrinth haters that have significantly padded the count of people in the list. This has been proven by the analysis of the account creation dates.

Do you think if you keep repeating the same thing it becomes true? You've made this same post now like 5 times in this thread and it's still as wrong as the first time. It is NOT a known fact. It is an asumption. At best you proved that people in your list did not create alt accounts after the lab was introduced. But as I just showed, that doesn't mean anything. I posted with an alt account showing a supporter tag created before the lab. You would count this as a unique person posting. You would put o and $ symbols next to the name and say that proved the account was not used to pad any stats. How can you not see how unreliable that is. I am not 2 people. I am 1 person. But how would you know that if my alt account name wasn't recognizeable? How many other alt accounts did I create prior to the lab? I can even get support to keep changing my account name and make posts with each name and you'd count those as separate people making the posts. Unless you work for GGG and can see IP addresses and account name histories, you can't state anything about users as fact.

You may be right in your conclusion, but you can't say it is a known fact when it is provably not. Assumptions aren't facts and your methodology doesn't prove anything.

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Turtledove wrote:

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mark1030 wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

Again, it is a known fact that there is not a handful of labyrinth haters that have significantly padded the count of people in the list. This has been proven by the analysis of the account creation dates.

Do you think if you keep repeating the same thing it becomes true? You've made this same post now like 5 times in this thread and it's still as wrong as the first time. It is NOT a known fact. It is an asumption. At best you proved that people in your list did not create alt accounts after the lab was introduced. But as I just showed, that doesn't mean anything. I posted with an alt account showing a supporter tag created before the lab. You would count this as a unique person posting. You would put o and $ symbols next to the name and say that proved the account was not used to pad any stats. How can you not see how unreliable that is. I am not 2 people. I am 1 person. But how would you know that if my alt account name wasn't recognizeable? How many other alt accounts did I create prior to the lab? I can even get support to keep changing my account name and make posts with each name and you'd count those as separate people making the posts. Unless you work for GGG and can see IP addresses and account name histories, you can't state anything about users as fact.

You may be right in your conclusion, but you can't say it is a known fact when it is provably not. Assumptions aren't facts and your methodology doesn't prove anything.

Again, a few alt accounts is irrelevant. If you believe that only a handful of labyrinth haters is all that have posted on these forums, this would mean that many hundreds of the account names are alt accounts that were generated by this handful of labyrinth haters. There is no reasonable explanation for this except that you would be ridiculously paranoid. Sorry if that disagrees with your own concept of reality but, I'm willing to listen if there is another explanation. Ignoring the facts and pointing out the few reasonable alt accounts is not what I'd consider any explanation.