Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support DONE!!!!!

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Shovelcut wrote:
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mark1030 wrote:
Still all irrelevant other than the acknowledgement that nobody knows who or how many alt accounts there are. Claiming otherwise is just a guess. That's what Shovelcut was trying to argue. Nobody knows. Not you and not me. So it's pointless to argue about whether or not your guess is accurate.

This guy gets it. Here I though I failed to get my point across. :D

I'm not bothered by the list itself*, what I have an issue with is denoting when accounts were made and if they have supporter packs as some kind of proof that they aren't alt accounts. To me it comes across as a dishonest and desperate way to give more weight to the anti-laby movement.

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Other than the obvious use of threads that serve no purpose other than to artificially inflate the total number of laby hate threads. It actually hurts the anti-laby movement because if any of the devs actually care enough to look thru the list, they have to wade thru a ton of shit posts before they reach the feedback gold that is in there.


Again, it is a known fact that there is not a handful of labyrinth haters that have significantly padded the count of people in the list. This has been proven by the analysis of the account creation dates. There have been more than two or three pro-lab people that have claimed that there is only a handful of people that have posted that they dislike things with the labyrinth. We now know this to be categorically false. This is a tactic to try to invalidate all the people that think the labyrinth has problems or is alienating. It is a known fact that there have been judgmental jerks in the labyrinth threads that have declared that just because someone is using an alt account their stated opinion is invalid. As another example, someone recently seemed to imply that if the account name was anti-labish in nature then it was an even less valid opinion than if it was just an alt account. From my perspective these are tactics to try to dehumanize the author of the posts in order to try to invalidate their opinion. I disagree with this tactic.

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Disagree, your spoiler point is not relevant. There was one person that we know of that did what you are saying about spamming the forum with such threads, plus a short period of time where people were spamming the forum with the same named threads but GGG mediators thankfully put a stop to that pretty quickly. While these incidents were not helpful, I think the only thing it hurt was getting people in the forums upset but was irrelevant to any developers. I believe that GGG has probably already decided generally how they're going to fix the problem. The question for us is when. more activity on the topic makes it more likely that it will be sooner rather than later.
Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
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borbalaago wrote:

i cannot agree more, im really glad i found this thread, i thought i was the only one hating the Lab mechanics


Thank you for posting your opinion on labyrinth. I see you created your account in March 2016. That means that you missed out playing PoE before the labyrinth. That was when PoE was pretty close to pure fun, at least for me.

BTW I added your name to the list at 692 now. As the list grows longer our voice grows stronger.
Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
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Turtledove wrote:

Again, it is a known fact that there is not a handful of labyrinth haters that have significantly padded the count of people in the list. This has been proven by the analysis of the account creation dates.
Do you think if you keep repeating the same thing it becomes true? You've made this same post now like 5 times in this thread and it's still as wrong as the first time. It is NOT a known fact. It is an asumption. At best you proved that people in your list did not create alt accounts after the lab was introduced. But as I just showed, that doesn't mean anything. I posted with an alt account showing a supporter tag created before the lab. You would count this as a unique person posting. You would put o and $ symbols next to the name and say that proved the account was not used to pad any stats. How can you not see how unreliable that is. I am not 2 people. I am 1 person. But how would you know that if my alt account name wasn't recognizeable? How many other alt accounts did I create prior to the lab? I can even get support to keep changing my account name and make posts with each name and you'd count those as separate people making the posts. Unless you work for GGG and can see IP addresses and account name histories, you can't state anything about users as fact.

You may be right in your conclusion, but you can't say it is a known fact when it is provably not. Assumptions aren't facts and your methodology doesn't prove anything.

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mark1030 wrote:
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Turtledove wrote:

Again, it is a known fact that there is not a handful of labyrinth haters that have significantly padded the count of people in the list. This has been proven by the analysis of the account creation dates.
Do you think if you keep repeating the same thing it becomes true? You've made this same post now like 5 times in this thread and it's still as wrong as the first time. It is NOT a known fact. It is an asumption. At best you proved that people in your list did not create alt accounts after the lab was introduced. But as I just showed, that doesn't mean anything. I posted with an alt account showing a supporter tag created before the lab. You would count this as a unique person posting. You would put o and $ symbols next to the name and say that proved the account was not used to pad any stats. How can you not see how unreliable that is. I am not 2 people. I am 1 person. But how would you know that if my alt account name wasn't recognizeable? How many other alt accounts did I create prior to the lab? I can even get support to keep changing my account name and make posts with each name and you'd count those as separate people making the posts. Unless you work for GGG and can see IP addresses and account name histories, you can't state anything about users as fact.

You may be right in your conclusion, but you can't say it is a known fact when it is provably not. Assumptions aren't facts and your methodology doesn't prove anything.


Again, a few alt accounts is irrelevant. If you believe that only a handful of labyrinth haters is all that have posted on these forums, this would mean that many hundreds of the account names are alt accounts that were generated by this handful of labyrinth haters. There is no reasonable explanation for this except that you would be ridiculously paranoid. Sorry if that disagrees with your own concept of reality but, I'm willing to listen if there is another explanation. Ignoring the facts and pointing out the few reasonable alt accounts is not what I'd consider any explanation.
Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
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Turtledove wrote:
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mark1030 wrote:
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Turtledove wrote:

Again, it is a known fact that there is not a handful of labyrinth haters that have significantly padded the count of people in the list. This has been proven by the analysis of the account creation dates.
Do you think if you keep repeating the same thing it becomes true? You've made this same post now like 5 times in this thread and it's still as wrong as the first time. It is NOT a known fact. It is an asumption. At best you proved that people in your list did not create alt accounts after the lab was introduced. But as I just showed, that doesn't mean anything. I posted with an alt account showing a supporter tag created before the lab. You would count this as a unique person posting. You would put o and $ symbols next to the name and say that proved the account was not used to pad any stats. How can you not see how unreliable that is. I am not 2 people. I am 1 person. But how would you know that if my alt account name wasn't recognizeable? How many other alt accounts did I create prior to the lab? I can even get support to keep changing my account name and make posts with each name and you'd count those as separate people making the posts. Unless you work for GGG and can see IP addresses and account name histories, you can't state anything about users as fact.

You may be right in your conclusion, but you can't say it is a known fact when it is provably not. Assumptions aren't facts and your methodology doesn't prove anything.


Again, a few alt accounts is irrelevant. If you believe that only a handful of labyrinth haters is all that have posted on these forums, this would mean that many hundreds of the account names are alt accounts that were generated by this handful of labyrinth haters. There is no reasonable explanation for this except that you would be ridiculously paranoid. Sorry if that disagrees with your own concept of reality but, I'm willing to listen if there is another explanation. Ignoring the facts and pointing out the few reasonable alt accounts is not what I'd consider any explanation.
Did I say any of what you are suggesting I said? You're acting like a politician and fabricating arguments where there are none because that's the rebuttle you already have written on your response cards. Where did I say I believed only a handful of lab haters are all that posted? Where did Shovelcut say that? Neither of us is suggesting that. What we're contesting is that you are stating an unprovable thing as a fact. The proof you give is not proof of what you claim is a fact.

Put me down for 10 votes saying lab is ok as is. Because the only requirements for proving you're a separate voter is account creating date and supporter titles.
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It's just botters crying about non-bottable content. Proof me wrong!
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Mythabril wrote:
It's just botters crying about non-bottable content. Proof me wrong!
His join date gets an "o" rating, so that proves he's not being deceptive. He's legit.
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mark1030 wrote:

Did I say any of what you are suggesting I said? You're acting like a politician and fabricating arguments where there are none because that's the rebuttle you already have written on your response cards. Where did I say I believed only a handful of lab haters are all that posted? Where did Shovelcut say that? Neither of us is suggesting that. What we're contesting is that you are stating an unprovable thing as a fact. The proof you give is not proof of what you claim is a fact.

Put me down for 10 votes saying lab is ok as is. Because the only requirements for proving you're a separate voter is account creating date and supporter titles.


Again an occasional alt account is irrelevant. For it to be a handful of people it would require someone to have many hundreds of alt accounts that were created prior to March 2016. You claim that is reasonable though you don't believe it? Sorry but your argument seems bogus. By this type thinking I guess it would mean that that 9/11 and the landing on the moon are not provable facts because they could be government conspiracies? Although you think they really did happen but they are not provable facts. That is rather convoluted logic and a completely unconvincing argument.
Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
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mark1030 wrote:
I don't know about everybody else, but the more people whine about something , the more I don't want to see it changed.


Mmmm

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mark1030 wrote:
I don't want to see anybody bullied into changing something just like I don't want to see a mommy give in and buy her kid a toy when he's making a scene in a toy store.


Who's bullied in your example.

I don't fully understand your position.
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Turtledove wrote:
There was one person that we know of that did what you are saying about spamming the forum with such threads


This further proves how deceitful you're being. There were over 26 accounts on your list that had posted many useless threads on the subject. It even still says this in the OP. Unlike you, I've actually taken the time to go through every single thread in the OP and made a list of how many posters made multiple threads. But please, continue making provably wrong statements...
From the OP

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Turtledove wrote:
Of the 28 accounts with multiple threads, those 28 thread authors account for 65 of those threads.



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mark1030 wrote:
What we're contesting is that you are stating an unprovable thing as a fact. The proof you give is not proof of what you claim is a fact.

Quoted for emphasis. Doubt it's going to help though since we're getting the same copy/paste reply that has nothing to do with the point we're making.

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Mythabril wrote:
It's just botters crying about non-bottable content. Proof me wrong!

LMAO! Sounds legit! xD

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Turtledove wrote:
By this type thinking I guess it would mean that that 9/11 and the landing on the moon are not provable facts because they could be government conspiracies?

*Facepalming intensifies further*
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