Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support DONE!!!!!

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Xavderion wrote:

This thread is still going? I feel like most people don't care enough about lab to give a shit. If you really don't like it you just skip it until you're powerful enough to faceroll it in 10 minutes.

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Docbp87 wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

This thread is still going? I feel like most people don't care enough about lab to give a shit. If you really don't like it you just skip it until you're powerful enough to faceroll it in 10 minutes.

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THIS is the ACTUAL majority opinion. The Lab Haters would have you believe otherwise, but the ACTUAL majority just do not give a fuck, and have learned the lab mechanics to the point that it is a fucking cakewalk.

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Zpidead wrote:

Also normal trials i could avoid almost all damage from traps. Uber trials i just cant there is no way to see beyond whats on your screen so i cant see where next safe place to rest is thats why i die. Those blades are so big and this one came out from the wall and killed me so fast and had cooldown on my blink arrow. But leaving the thread for now i thought this was a good place to share my frustration but more trap lovers then haters here i feel

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gibbousmoon wrote:

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Docbp87 wrote:

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THIS is the ACTUAL majority opinion. The Lab Haters would have you believe otherwise, but the ACTUAL majority just do not give a fuck, and have learned the lab mechanics to the point that it is a fucking cakewalk.

You're actually (partially) right. Most people have adapted to the fact that there is an unfun and deeply flawed part of the game that is now a prerequisite to endgame play for most builds. They tolerate it, they cheese it, and/or they pay someone else to run them through it. Many have even accepted it, despite their own lack of personal enjoyment.

None of the above has any bearing on whether or not the status quo is good, however. So your statement, which for the sake of argument let's say is 100% true, is of questionable relevance to the issue at hand.

A portion of the game required for character development that is hated by a significant minority of players, and barely tolerated by another significant minority, has hurt the game and its community, and it will continue to hurt the game and its community for as long as it remains in this state. The issue comes up again and again in first-impression threads by new players who join the forums to say how much they hate the lab. And then this shit starts all over again, with people insulting each other and trolling each other and yelling at each other for having opinions which are not shared, and for making yet another thread (as if that new user has any idea of the forum's history).

This is BAD for the game. It will continue to be BAD for the game.

You can argue that the feelings of people who don't share your opinion are "wrong" until you are blue in the face, but it will not change that reality.

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mark1030 wrote:

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Zpidead wrote:

Also normal trials i could avoid almost all damage from traps. Uber trials i just cant there is no way to see beyond whats on your screen so i cant see where next safe place to rest is thats why i die. Those blades are so big and this one came out from the wall and killed me so fast and had cooldown on my blink arrow. But leaving the thread for now i thought this was a good place to share my frustration but more trap lovers then haters here i feel

I don't think there are more trap lovers than haters. There are just many "I do traps even though I don't love them because it's .005% of the time spent playing so I don't make daily drama posts about how (take your pick: boring, tedious, hard, etc.) it is" people. I don't know about everybody else, but the more people whine about something , the more I don't want to see it changed. I don't want to see anybody bullied into changing something just like I don't want to see a mommy give in and buy her kid a toy when he's making a scene in a toy store.

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gibbousmoon wrote:

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mark1030 wrote:

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Zpidead wrote:

Also normal trials i could avoid almost all damage from traps. Uber trials i just cant there is no way to see beyond whats on your screen so i cant see where next safe place to rest is thats why i die. Those blades are so big and this one came out from the wall and killed me so fast and had cooldown on my blink arrow. But leaving the thread for now i thought this was a good place to share my frustration but more trap lovers then haters here i feel

I don't think there are more trap lovers than haters. There are just many "I do traps even though I don't love them because it's .005% of the time spent playing so I don't make daily drama posts about how (take your pick: boring, tedious, hard, etc.) it is" people. I don't know about everybody else, but the more people whine about something , the more I don't want to see it changed. I don't want to see anybody bullied into changing something just like I don't want to see a mommy give in and buy her kid a toy when he's making a scene in a toy store.

Believe it or not, people who really love a game are going to be passionate about it.

Comparing them to children throwing a temper tantrum is little more than an ad hominem attack, and adds nothing to the discussion (quite the opposite; it distracts from it). And, like any ad hominem attack, it does an especially poor job of responding to the many threads describing the negative way the Labyrinth has impacted players' experiences of PoE (some extremely well articulated; others not so much). As does your labeling of those threads "drama."

I understand that you think the small % of your personal gameplay spent on the Labyrinth somehow cancels out all of those descriptions, even the well-articulated ones, but I cannot agree with your perspective.

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mark1030 wrote:

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gibbousmoon wrote:

Believe it or not, people who really love a game are going to be passionate about it.

Comparing them to children throwing a temper tantrum is little more than an ad hominem attack, and adds nothing to the discussion (quite the opposite; it distracts from it). And, like any ad hominem attack, it does an especially poor job of responding to the many threads describing the negative way the Labyrinth has impacted players' experiences of PoE (some extremely well articulated; others not so much). As does your labeling of those threads "drama."

I understand that you think the small % of your personal gameplay spent on the Labyrinth somehow cancels out all of those descriptions, even the well-articulated ones, but I cannot agree with your perspective.

I didn't mean all lab posts are drama. I was more referring to the ones that make the same complaint over and over with multiple accounts (NOT saying all of them are alt accounts, but everybody knows of a few high profile ones here). And can you deny that arguing over how factual the number of alt accounts discovered is not drama? Seems pretty dramatic to me. At any rate, the comparison to a tantrum I think is valid in that the same complaints are repeated over and over in the hopes that GGG (the creator or parent of PoE) will just give in if we just pester them enough seems pretty similar to the child pestering his mom for a toy. Is there a defined amount of identical complaints someone can make before it's considered a whine? Some people have surpassed that in my book. But there are others who have not and made reasonable feedback posts. It's just the former dilutes the true feedback of the latter and they all get lumped in together as either lovers or haters. I don't even know what category I fit in. I don't love the lab but I don't hate it either. Just like a lot of areas of this game I just play through and see no need to go back to repeat (<cough>act 4<cough>).

I guess now that I look at it, I think the whole premise of this thread is whining whereas each individual who makes a feedback thread is not, even if it is similar to somebody else's feedback. Now the guys who goes into each and every one of those feedback threads to post a copy pasted complaint in agreement might still look like a whiner to me. Especially with a name that was obviously created as an alt account and an explicitly anti-lab name. But that's just how it looks to me.

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An "o" after the name means the account is older than March 2016. A "$" after the name means that a supporter title is in the profile. An "*" after the name means that neither of those is the case. This was done in response to paranoid people that said I or someone else was creating alt accounts just to up the numbers on the list. This irrational argument has been soundly laid to rest because there are fewer than 4% of the accounts with an *. None of the above (o,$ nor *) means that I haven't gotten to that part of the list yet.

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mark1030 wrote:

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gibbousmoon wrote:

Believe it or not, people who really love a game are going to be passionate about it.

Comparing them to children throwing a temper tantrum is little more than an ad hominem attack, and adds nothing to the discussion (quite the opposite; it distracts from it). And, like any ad hominem attack, it does an especially poor job of responding to the many threads describing the negative way the Labyrinth has impacted players' experiences of PoE (some extremely well articulated; others not so much). As does your labeling of those threads "drama."

I understand that you think the small % of your personal gameplay spent on the Labyrinth somehow cancels out all of those descriptions, even the well-articulated ones, but I cannot agree with your perspective.

I didn't mean all lab posts are drama. I was more referring to the ones that make the same complaint over and over with multiple accounts (NOT saying all of them are alt accounts, but everybody knows of a few high profile ones here). And can you deny that arguing over how factual the number of alt accounts discovered is not drama? Seems pretty dramatic to me. At any rate, the comparison to a tantrum I think is valid in that the same complaints are repeated over and over in the hopes that GGG (the creator or parent of PoE) will just give in if we just pester them enough seems pretty similar to the child pestering his mom for a toy. Is there a defined amount of identical complaints someone can make before it's considered a whine? Some people have surpassed that in my book. But there are others who have not and made reasonable feedback posts. It's just the former dilutes the true feedback of the latter and they all get lumped in together as either lovers or haters. I don't even know what category I fit in. I don't love the lab but I don't hate it either. Just like a lot of areas of this game I just play through and see no need to go back to repeat (<cough>act 4<cough>).

I guess now that I look at it, I think the whole premise of this thread is whining whereas each individual who makes a feedback thread is not, even if it is similar to somebody else's feedback. Now the guys who goes into each and every one of those feedback threads to post a copy pasted complaint in agreement might still look like a whiner to me. Especially with a name that was obviously created as an alt account and an explicitly anti-lab name. But that's just how it looks to me.