Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support DONE!!!!!

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Fruz wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

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Why don't you start to stop talking purely from your **** someday ? I mean, why don't you try to speak about something that you have actual knowledge of instead, someday ?

Your bad faith knows no limit, I hope that you will finally at some point do the "new" labs, realize that it's the same, only shorter in normal and a bit in cruel, and come to the realization that your crusade has led basically nowhere, and actually face the fact.
With a little bit of luck, that could spare the forum of part of that unnecessary crusade ...


Those suggestions you mentioned are not what has been done by GGG, the 2 first lab have only been shortened.
Period.
Btw, the 7th suggestion of "rework" of that joke of a thread was :

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7)Traps lead to chest and other rewards, and non trap areas lead to Izaro.

You still need to go through traps to reach Izaro.
Do I have to really point out every single lie that you are throwing around ? really ?

Now I understand your problem. You think the definition of "similar" means identical to. Dearest Fuz, I'll guess that you're not an English speaking native but your English is actually quite good so I forgot. Although your obnoxious hyperbole of accusing me of being a delusional liar can't be blamed on English, so you have some other issues as well. I'll take you at your word that it is not about being upset because GGG improved labyrinth. So I guess it might be something deeper below the obvious surface.

It is not "similar" enough to be called "similar", and this is not splitting hairs.

I just showed you, that the 7th suggestion was nothing like what has been done, at all.
It isn't even remotely similar in any way.



But I guess that there is no way that I can "reason" you, oh well .... time will, at some point.
As long as others are understanding this and are not getting baited by you, I guess the harm you're doing is only to yourself, so that's fine.

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Fruz wrote:

It is not "similar" enough to be called "similar", and this is not splitting hairs.

I just showed you, that the 7th suggestion was nothing like what has been done, at all.
It isn't even remotely similar in any way.



But I guess that there is no way that I can "reason" you, oh well .... time will, at some point.
As long as others are understanding this and are not getting baited by you, I guess the harm you're doing is only to yourself, so that's fine.

It has been shown that they are in fact similar and that calling me a delusional liar is being obnoxiously silly. It's definitely true that there is no reasoning with your ilk. Although I do admit that it's been fun trying.

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Just curious, have you kept a count of how many have posted that they like the lab?

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Archwizard wrote:

Just curious, have you kept a count of how many have posted that they like the lab?

There is a minority of posters about lab who say they like it.

Here's a good "Dev Manifesto" thread to review to get a sense of various reactions to lab. Here is the link:



Responses to the 3.0 changes to lab vary from highly negative to highly positive, with lots of "I dislike / hate lab" responses and a much smaller number of "I like / love lab" responses. There are also a fair number of more focused "I (dis)like some / all of the changes" responses that are harder to interpret because you can't assume that liking the changes means liking lab, or vice versa.

if you've harbored any illusions that a select few dislike lab and you'd like to keep on believing that, then you'll probably not want to spend time skimming through the thread above. Lab fully deserves the moniker "Most hated part of the game".

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EnjoyTheJourney wrote:

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Archwizard wrote:

Just curious, have you kept a count of how many have posted that they like the lab?

There is a minority of posters about lab who say they like it.

Here's a good "Dev Manifesto" thread to review to get a sense of various reactions to lab. Here is the link:

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https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1899252

Responses to the 3.0 changes to lab vary from highly negative to highly positive, with lots of "I dislike / hate lab" responses and a much smaller number of "I like / love lab" responses. There are also a fair number of more focused "I (dis)like some / all of the changes" responses that are harder to interpret because you can't assume that liking the changes means liking lab, or vice versa.

if you've harbored any illusions that a select few dislike lab and you'd like to keep on believing that, then you'll probably not want to spend time skimming through the thread above. Lab fully deserves the moniker "Most hated part of the game".

I don't have any idea what the actual playerbase's opinion on the lab is, nobody does (maybe GGG does, but who knows). We only know what the people that feel inclined to speak up have to say.

I don't know if you've ever worked in customer service in any capacity, but I have. I was a supervisor in a call center for an insurance company where the average rep handled 50 calls a day (the company is a huge nationwide 3rd party mental health insurance carrier). Out of millions of customers that had our insurance, not many of the calls we got were from people that wanted to say that we were doing a bang up job and they appreciated it. When people wanted to speak to a supervisor, they didn't want to tell me how awesome my rep had been at helping them.

People take action when they're pissed, not when they're happy. You cannot assume that what you see for activity on these (or any) boards is representative of the whole population and extrapolate from there. I'm sure there are plenty of sociologists and social scientists that have spent plenty of time researching this very phenomenon.

This isn't to say criticism should be dismissed as a vocal minority (and I've clearly stated in the past that changes that have been made based on people's criticisms were very good), but at some point GGG will have to say "Good enough, this is where it's going to be" and everyone will have to accept that. There's a smaller chance of GGG pleasing every single player than there is of building a snowman on Mercury.

No game can please everyone, no game should try. Personally, I cannot stand Neverwinter Nights now. I liked it for a bit, but the more I played the less I liked it. So I don't play that anymore, and that's okay.

Anyway, I just find the title of this thread to be misleading at best and disingenuous at worst. It only tells a partial story, a story that nobody can possible know all of.

Lab is quite alright in 3.0. They did some good changes to it. I have not much negative to say.

My biggest gripe are the trials for über lab. We are over 1 month into harbinger league and i'm still missing two trials despite having a lvl 90 and 81 charachter and working on my third.

For the love of god remove like 3 of the endgame trials or make them easier to find. At this pace i am starting to worry that i won't even unlock the damn über lab before league ends :)

So there is that.

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kompaniet wrote:

Lab is quite alright in 3.0. They did some good changes to it. I have not much negative to say.

My biggest gripe are the trials for über lab. We are over 1 month into harbinger league and i'm still missing two trials despite having a lvl 90 and 81 charachter and working on my third.

For the love of god remove like 3 of the endgame trials or make them easier to find. At this pace i am starting to worry that i won't even unlock the damn über lab before league ends :)

So there is that.

I wonder if the main problem for getting into the uber lab is the fact that the Offerings are tied to the trials in the first place. If there were instead certain spots on the Atlas that functioned as trials themselves then we could all get to them quickly and easily without the RNG BS.

It's a pain in the ass to get a key to the door every time you also get part of the door itself, but the door parts you keep getting aren't the ones you need to complete the damn thing to use the key in.

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Archwizard wrote:

(snip) There's a smaller chance of GGG pleasing every single player than there is of building a snowman on Mercury.

To give some credit to Mercury though, its dark side is roughly -183 C or -298 F. Humanity getting enough snow to Mercury to build a snowman is quite the other matter but I definitely agree that's more likely to happen than GGG being able to please all its players.