Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support DONE!!!!!

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Fruz wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

The current change to the first 2 labyrinths is very similar to Regulator's "Lab Rework Ideas" 2 and 7, that's in the big thread.

No it's not, stop trying with delusional lies please.
Those things are only "remove all traps that are required to beat the labyrinth".
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I understand GGG has put a lot of effort on the expansion and what im asking is too much, but ascendancy points should be freed from the labyrinth's tyranny. In no way im asking for ascendancy points to be completely free but freed from labyrinth play-style, meaning that GGG can put them as rewards for something else.

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j33bus wrote:

The reasoning for this is simple, you're not actually sampling active forum users, you're sampling people who know that they could post on the forum. It's the same as feedback generated from a hotline, you're asking everybody who knows that the could call the hotline not everyone who does call it.

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Turtledove wrote:

Simply removing a significant portion of the trap gauntlet game play is what 2 and 7 are all about.

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Slicer9875 wrote:

So bad news. I didn't check for Wave 4 in the beta , but it appears what I said is no longer is true for 3.0.

Spoiler

Apparently you do need to all trials before entering the corresponding lab now. Otherwise you get a "you do not have the required quest state". It was a bug or got corrected.

Still at least normal/cruel should be much easier to handle now that they're no disruptors or essences. This isn't a spoiler because it's in the patch notes.

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Fruz wrote:

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j33bus wrote:

The reasoning for this is simple, you're not actually sampling active forum users, you're sampling people who know that they could post on the forum. It's the same as feedback generated from a hotline, you're asking everybody who knows that the could call the hotline not everyone who does call it.

And then, you need to consider that people having a particular incentive to complain ( = that dislike the content enough ) are more likely to get to know about the forums.

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Fruz wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

Simply removing a significant portion of the trap gauntlet game play is what 2 and 7 are all about.

No it's not, it's removing all traps ( "but freed from labyrinth play-style" ... "freed" /rofl ).
And you have no clue, what the lab is actually like in 3.0.0.
I checked a video quickly yesterday ( normal lab beta ), and the traps are still there, and on top of that, the trials to access the normal lab are also still there.
If we factor trials + normal lab, the traps concentration is overal likely higher in 3.0.0 ( the trap concentrations in the lab only ... I don't know, it could likely be higher just for the lab ).


Wake up,! GGG didn't "remove the traps", they shortened the lab in normal and a bit in cruel, which means that areas without traps got significantly shortened as well as the whole thing, they didn't just "Simply removing a significant portion of the trap gauntlet game play".

LMAO.

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Turtledove wrote:

The important part is getting rid of the bad game play. If getting rid of some of the good game play in the process is completely irrelevant

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Turtledove wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

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j33bus wrote:

The reasoning for this is simple, you're not actually sampling active forum users, you're sampling people who know that they could post on the forum. It's the same as feedback generated from a hotline, you're asking everybody who knows that the could call the hotline not everyone who does call it.

And then, you need to consider that people having a particular incentive to complain ( = that dislike the content enough ) are more likely to get to know about the forums.

One might think that but the data does not bare that out. Very few first posters are complaining about the labyrinth.

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Fruz wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

Simply removing a significant portion of the trap gauntlet game play is what 2 and 7 are all about.

No it's not, it's removing all traps ( "but freed from labyrinth play-style" ... "freed" /rofl ).
And you have no clue, what the lab is actually like in 3.0.0.
I checked a video quickly yesterday ( normal lab beta ), and the traps are still there, and on top of that, the trials to access the normal lab are also still there.
If we factor trials + normal lab, the traps concentration is overal likely higher in 3.0.0 ( the trap concentrations in the lab only ... I don't know, it could likely be higher just for the lab ).


Wake up,! GGG didn't "remove the traps", they shortened the lab in normal and a bit in cruel, which means that areas without traps got significantly shortened as well as the whole thing, they didn't just "Simply removing a significant portion of the trap gauntlet game play".

LMAO.

What a silly man trying to tell me what is important and not important to me!

Getting back to your ridiculous ratio of good versus bad argument, I see? You're being irrational if you think that idea 7 got rid of all traps, read it again, sheesh you've really gone off the deep end. The important part is getting rid of the bad game play. If getting rid of some of the good game play in the process is completely irrelevant. Yes the whole thing was made shorter. The important part though was the removing significant portion of the traps. But thank you for proving my point that you have lost it.

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I will have to disagree with the ''getting rid of some of the good game play in the process'' part. That analogy is the reason GGG sucks at balancing. Look at the whole es fiasco . They overnerfed es into oblivion because 0.5% of the population that plays standard could reach up to 25k with vaal pact, headhunter and other crap.

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Emphasy wrote:

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I will have to disagree with the ''getting rid of some of the good game play in the process'' part. That analogy is the reason GGG sucks at balancing. Look at the whole es fiasco . They overnerfed es into oblivion because 0.5% of the population that plays standard could reach up to 25k with vaal pact, headhunter and other crap.

Honestly if you looked at 10 characters in 2.6 or 2.5 that did high end content you had a good chance of finding 11 that used ES. Because ES had multiple strong aspects, insane recovery/regeneration with high values but you wouldn't even need that just 12k and VP was another good option.

CI is now as good as Bloodmagic, which is fine, it was way too dominant for a keystone and it is not unlikely that they buff it back up over time, which is much better than nerfing it 3 patches in a row. They also did this a second time with CI, they also ravaged CI in 2.0 and build it back up over time, just to nerf it again^^.

Because they either have to level the playing field and bring CI to a very low level and buff it back up later or nerf it over several patches until they get to the right point. And honestly the second one is much more painful.

Also neither Standard nor leagues are effected... Standard keeps many of the old items, except for the VP change and leagues start anew, so if people feel another defensive option like MoM is better they can go for that. CI isn't a build, it is just a defensive option for your build, pick another one if you feel this one won't do it anymore.

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Fruz wrote:

I did not say that people would come to complain only about the lab.

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Turtledove wrote:

The important part is getting rid of the bad game play. If getting rid of some of the good game play in the process is completely irrelevant

Of course it is.
If you put a huge concentration of something that people don't like at the same place, they will likely feel it much, much more than something spread in a much larger context.

I am being pragmatic.
You are just being irrational, trying to find whatever "excuse" you find convenient to try to push your agenda, as usual.
( Plus they could have removed only 10% of the traps, I'm pretty sure that you would start saying "it's significant to me !!" lol! You don't for yourself, how much the lab has changed, and you will keep bitching about the whole lab experience in 3.0.0 anyway ).

It's like the "I did not use 'cave', it's Fruz's word !!!" from earlier, jus trying to use whatever you can find ( or make it up when you can't ) to try to make it look like what you are doing has a meaning.
It hasn't.


It's like if GGG would remove the full "belly of the beast" area one day, you would say "Oh, they removed a significant portion of the bosses of act4 !!!" ...
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You really have actually nothing more to say, don't you ....