Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support DONE!!!!!

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I will have to disagree with the ''getting rid of some of the good game play in the process'' part. That analogy is the reason GGG sucks at balancing. Look at the whole es fiasco . They overnerfed es into oblivion because 0.5% of the population that plays standard could reach up to 25k with vaal pact, headhunter and other crap.

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Emphasy wrote:

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I will have to disagree with the ''getting rid of some of the good game play in the process'' part. That analogy is the reason GGG sucks at balancing. Look at the whole es fiasco . They overnerfed es into oblivion because 0.5% of the population that plays standard could reach up to 25k with vaal pact, headhunter and other crap.

Honestly if you looked at 10 characters in 2.6 or 2.5 that did high end content you had a good chance of finding 11 that used ES. Because ES had multiple strong aspects, insane recovery/regeneration with high values but you wouldn't even need that just 12k and VP was another good option.

CI is now as good as Bloodmagic, which is fine, it was way too dominant for a keystone and it is not unlikely that they buff it back up over time, which is much better than nerfing it 3 patches in a row. They also did this a second time with CI, they also ravaged CI in 2.0 and build it back up over time, just to nerf it again^^.

Because they either have to level the playing field and bring CI to a very low level and buff it back up later or nerf it over several patches until they get to the right point. And honestly the second one is much more painful.

Also neither Standard nor leagues are effected... Standard keeps many of the old items, except for the VP change and leagues start anew, so if people feel another defensive option like MoM is better they can go for that. CI isn't a build, it is just a defensive option for your build, pick another one if you feel this one won't do it anymore.

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Fruz wrote:

I did not say that people would come to complain only about the lab.

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Turtledove wrote:

The important part is getting rid of the bad game play. If getting rid of some of the good game play in the process is completely irrelevant

Of course it is.
If you put a huge concentration of something that people don't like at the same place, they will likely feel it much, much more than something spread in a much larger context.

I am being pragmatic.
You are just being irrational, trying to find whatever "excuse" you find convenient to try to push your agenda, as usual.
( Plus they could have removed only 10% of the traps, I'm pretty sure that you would start saying "it's significant to me !!" lol! You don't for yourself, how much the lab has changed, and you will keep bitching about the whole lab experience in 3.0.0 anyway ).

It's like the "I did not use 'cave', it's Fruz's word !!!" from earlier, jus trying to use whatever you can find ( or make it up when you can't ) to try to make it look like what you are doing has a meaning.
It hasn't.


It's like if GGG would remove the full "belly of the beast" area one day, you would say "Oh, they removed a significant portion of the bosses of act4 !!!" ...
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You really have actually nothing more to say, don't you ....

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Fruz wrote:

How you are able to misunderstand almost everything is still a mistery to me I have to say :

- I haven't played FoO yet, but the lab changes ( as I said before, more than once ) seem pretty good.

- No, what GGG did is not similar at all to those silly suggestions 2 and 7. However, GGG has actually done something that I had suggested, so I'm pretty happy about it.

- I am not against GGG improving the lab at all, I am against GGG spending a significant amount of resources doing something pointless such as an alternative way of ascending .... you know, the whole BS that you and your crusader friends have mostly been fighting for this whole time.

- The only upsetting thing here is .... you, trying to spread blatant lies as I pointed out again.

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