Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support DONE!!!!!

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Zrevnur wrote:

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Xavathos wrote:

I guess all you see when you pay your way through labs all the time is labs without mobs, so I guess that makes sense.

For those of us that play the real game though, yes indeed, Lab is a great mix of monsters and traps.

There is a severe imbalance between monster "challenge" and trap challenge. Monsters are there to get flask charges and endurance charges for making traps easier. So I dont consider this a "great mix".

You can speak for yourself if you want but your use of "us..." makes your claim/s wrong.

It's like being promised a good buffet and being taken to country kitchen buffet at lunchtime.

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Zrevnur wrote:

There is a severe imbalance between monster "challenge" and trap challenge. Monsters are there to get flask charges and endurance charges for making traps easier.

At equal level, the monsters there are as threatening as any other places of the game ( they are not moded, so not talking about maps obviously ).

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Fruz wrote:

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Zrevnur wrote:

There is a severe imbalance between monster "challenge" and trap challenge. Monsters are there to get flask charges and endurance charges for making traps easier.

At equal level, the monsters there are as threatening as any other places of the game ( they are not moded, so not talking about maps obviously ).

Xavathos appeared to be including me ("us ...") in an argument and I dont do lab at equal level. I have never done lab at equal level (unless twinked in which case monsters are also easy while traps are not) I think.

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Zrevnur wrote:

Xavathos appeared to be including me ("us ...") in an argument and I dont do lab at equal level. I have never done lab at equal level (unless twinked in which case monsters are also easy while traps are not) I think.

It's much more fun at level, doing it overlevelled is what turns it into a chore for me, give it a shot sometime if you're bored.

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raics wrote:

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Zrevnur wrote:

Xavathos appeared to be including me ("us ...") in an argument and I dont do lab at equal level. I have never done lab at equal level (unless twinked in which case monsters are also easy while traps are not) I think.

It's much more fun at level, doing it overlevelled is what turns it into a chore for me, give it a shot sometime if you're bored.

I play mostly HC so my idea of "fun" is probably not the same as yours. The mobs wouldnt be a problem anyway. There are 2 reasons why I do it overlevelled:
1) Traps: I need armour gear to make spike and dart traps easy. I get this at certain stages in character/tier progression. This is mostly an SSF thing though.
2) Chance to RIP to Izaro. For the first 3 labs I cant properly estimate the threat which Izaro poses so I rather get some extra levels/gear than find out the hard way.

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Anyway I dont have much of an issue (in terms of "unfun") with lab for ascendancy. Its the grinding for enchantments (and boots) which is very "unfun" for me.

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And trap gameplay simply isnt fun for me. So doing it without anti trap gear isnt very interesting either.

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Zrevnur wrote:

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Fruz wrote:

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Zrevnur wrote:

There is a severe imbalance between monster "challenge" and trap challenge. Monsters are there to get flask charges and endurance charges for making traps easier.

At equal level, the monsters there are as threatening as any other places of the game ( they are not moded, so not talking about maps obviously ).

Xavathos appeared to be including me ("us ...") in an argument and I dont do lab at equal level. I have never done lab at equal level (unless twinked in which case monsters are also easy while traps are not) I think.

The argument isn't even about equal level or not. It's about the fact that traps aren't a good addition to monsters, according to those against the Lab.

But you're agreeing with me, seeing as you say the mobs are useful to you for flask charges to survive traps. Well, there you go. You're included in "us...". I'll send you your false mustache and party hat in the mail next week. ;)

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raics wrote:

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Zrevnur wrote:

Xavathos appeared to be including me ("us ...") in an argument and I dont do lab at equal level. I have never done lab at equal level (unless twinked in which case monsters are also easy while traps are not) I think.

It's much more fun at level, doing it overlevelled is what turns it into a chore for me, give it a shot sometime if you're bored.

It's true that doing them overleveled is rather dull, just like every map in the game when you're clearly overpowered in comparison. However, it does give you the opportunity to kill Izaro fully charged/buffed without too much risk. Clearing the Lab entirely and doing all optional shrines and chests.

I never understood those who rush through all content. Take it easy, enjoy the game. Isn't that what you play for?

I've had this talk with someone at work last week, how he didn't even know how beautiful the countryside here is in the morning, even though he worked here for over 2 years and drives through it every day. Always just looking ahead. If you just stand still for a minute to look around you and take your environment in, you'd be surprised at what you may find.

As far as how this applies to the game: enjoyment can only come from it if you're open to it.

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Xavathos wrote:

But you're agreeing with me, seeing as you say the mobs are useful to you for flask charges to survive traps.

The argument was about labyrinth design? I dont think its "great". Rather the opposite - so I disagree with you.
And even if you meant "usefulness to player" then it still makes no sense to me because having less traps and more mobs would be a much more useful mix. So I certainly wouldnt call the current mix "great". At best you can say that the addition of mobs to traps is useful. But that isnt what you wrote:

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Xavathos wrote:

I guess all you see when you pay your way through labs all the time is labs without mobs, so I guess that makes sense.

For those of us that play the real game though, yes indeed, Lab is a great mix of monsters and traps.

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Zrevnur wrote:

I play mostly HC so my idea of "fun" is probably not the same as yours.

Yeah, it probably isn't, when I'm playing PoE in HC I take only calculated risks which isn't very fun for me so I'm not doing it very often. I like the HC aspect of PoE much more in races where time limit pushes you on so you can't wait until everything fits exactly as it should and the risk is minimized.

But normal HC, dunno, something just never clicked right, I enjoyed my self enforced HC romps in Borderlands much more than I ever did in PoE.

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Fruz wrote:

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Zrevnur wrote:

There is a severe imbalance between monster "challenge" and trap challenge. Monsters are there to get flask charges and endurance charges for making traps easier.

At equal level, the monsters there are as threatening as any other places of the game ( they are not moded, so not talking about maps obviously ).

I don't think those monsters are really that threatening, slow zombies and weak skeletons. Perhaps new monster types there would make it more challenging.