Why the uber lab is a fuck-up

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sidtherat wrote:

ive done lab runs long enough - on ANY character ranging from lab runner (leap slam + ms) via 2h melee ending with 2h dom blow and LL skeleton summoner.

it is all the same. do not get hit. know your way in and out and use gap-closers liberally - what difference it makes if you are build A or B? 2-3 minutes total.

when i farmed uber lab (~15 runs on day 2) most time spent was the hunt for silver keys and argus. my slowest and fastest character does traps with equal ease - one is faster, other is slower.

i really cannot see where it is difficult/near impossible for non-lab-runner. it is slower, thats it.

if you want to do it once - 12 or 15 minutes makes no difference. if you want to farm it - you create a farmer. how is that a problem?

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Vhlad wrote:

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Bars wrote:

- the uber lab is a paid instance. Combined with the various bugs and game crashes, this is on a whole new level of unpleasantness. I was getting instance crashes in the merc lab last league, it was the worst experience in Perandus league. When you get the same shit and know it costs you at least 5c (I don't know what's the price of offerings in other leagues), that's something else entirely.

This is really the biggest bullshit about endgame lab right here. On standard it's 3-4x more to buy an offering (15-20+c). I don't know what the fuck GGG is thinking or who they're trying to appeal to with a 1/350+ helmet enchant crapshoot combined with paid/scarce entry fee + one attempt only portal. Even if the game system was perfect and there were no crashes/dc's/ bugged levers/doors, it would still be complete masochism to grind a single helm enchant on one character for one build, let alone doing it for 10 characters (350*15c = 5250 chaos expected investment per specific helm enchant).

It's completely not worth it to even try because if you're playing standard and wearing expensive rares or alt arts or top roll uniques with 4 off colors there's an insufficient supply of comparable bases to trade for and enchant, so you enchant your largely irreplaceable item and override a potentially good merciless enchant with random endgame lab poop. And the offerings to the goddess are so fucking rare by the time you even find 350 to get the specific one you want we'll be on patch 9.5 and whatever build you were planning no longer exists. Fuck I don't even want to wipe an ideal merciless enchant off my gloves/boots to try to get the endgame version. Helms are complete insanity.

This is the kind of grind that makes me quit games.

And fuck everyone who says grinding endgame enchants is optional. This is a forced online only game with competitive pvp, a competitive economy, and item/craft quality balanced around trade. If there was a solo self found league or offline mode (with appropriately balanced drop/craft tables for solo play) yeah then it's optional but throw competition in and the only real option is to suffer through it and remain competitive or quit. I'm leaning toward quit.

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kuukkeli wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

- unavoidable damage. false, didnt bother reading that point further

Well, maybe you're a labyrinth god but I've never done or seen a lab run with no damage taken from traps. As you seem to imply that you consistently do such runs could you possibly make videos from all über trials and über lab without taking any trap damage? I'd really like to see such wonders.

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Vhlad wrote:

It doesn't work on standard. Many enchants (even the merciless versions) are still absent from poe.trade searches. There's no supply on standard. I can't even buy the enchant I want.

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dreynar_swag wrote:

Yes the uberlab is rather insane and rushed,seriously who thought of endless annoying and sometimes deadly(yes porcupines) mobs spawning during the payload gauntlet?

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Bars wrote:

When the lab was introduced, I was part of the 'minority'.....

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sidtherat wrote:

yeah, read it again

- unavoidable damage. false, didnt bother reading that point further

- tech issues. agreed but it is sloppy time-pressure-managed-release more than lab design itself

- some builds have it easier? no sh.. Sherlock.

note: lab DOES NOT PUNISH you for not completing it. it wasnt here in 2.1, uber lab wasnt here in 2.2 - you managed fine. it is YOU who force lab on yourself. you and only you. since when EVERY OPTION has to be taken? this approach creates extremely unhappy people in real life.

and a final note: 4th ascendancy is a reward for completing a challenge. CHALLENGE. not a hand out. cannot complete it? maybe you do not deserve it.

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

tank builds do not get punished more . traps are a function of your life pool true , but most tanks also get more passive life regen.. which happen to also be a function of your life.
to make it through the lab