When Chris says that lab haters are a minority, how right is he?

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Siochan wrote:

The lab is a bigger joke than PvP. Does GGG ever admit things, or just double down on mistakes then blame it on the player engagement?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpQufSMg3vY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH2hpP5R8L8&feature=youtu.be

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XerxezBreak wrote:

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miljan wrote:

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Jayserix wrote:

And Miljan, of course some players who dislike the lab aren't posting, but if you and Jennik weren't dishonest you would agree that there are more more topics about unliked content that appreciated one, and that doesn't mean that said content is disliked by the majority of the player base.

Honesty ? Nowhere to be found.

I am very honest. Are you? Lets find out.

I actually dont know what majority likes or not. But the thing I know for sure is that there is a big part of POE playerbase that doesnt like the lab.

And that the forum, youtube, reddit and other parts and places where people post there thoughts, are directly connected with what community thinks about something in the game. If there is a problem in game, you will see direct increase in number of "complains". That is how it will always work for anything.

The problem is when some people in lack of logic try to suggested that there is a silent majority that will think different than what is presented by the part of that community that actually gives feedback, both positive and negative, as you see here some people defending the lab.

This silent majority you believe doesn't exist is the actual player base that doesn't use forums. I for one only was able to get into Path of Exile thanks to Labyrinth. It gave an interesting mechanic to an otherwise bland leveling process. The fact that it keeps players on their toes rather than glued to their TV screen makes the game worth playing.

You can argue against labyrinth all you want, but it definitely has become an integral part of the game.

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miljan wrote:

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Jayserix wrote:

And Miljan, of course some players who dislike the lab aren't posting, but if you and Jennik weren't dishonest you would agree that there are more more topics about unliked content that appreciated one, and that doesn't mean that said content is disliked by the majority of the player base.

Honesty ? Nowhere to be found.

I am very honest. Are you? Lets find out.

I actually dont know what majority likes or not. But the thing I know for sure is that there is a big part of POE playerbase that doesnt like the lab.
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Jayserix wrote:

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miljan wrote:

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Jayserix wrote:

And Miljan, of course some players who dislike the lab aren't posting, but if you and Jennik weren't dishonest you would agree that there are more more topics about unliked content that appreciated one, and that doesn't mean that said content is disliked by the majority of the player base.

Honesty ? Nowhere to be found.

I am very honest. Are you? Lets find out.

I actually dont know what majority likes or not. But the thing I know for sure is that there is a big part of POE playerbase that doesnt like the lab.
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Well that escalated quickly ...

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Jayserix wrote:

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miljan wrote:

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Jayserix wrote:

And Miljan, of course some players who dislike the lab aren't posting, but if you and Jennik weren't dishonest you would agree that there are more more topics about unliked content that appreciated one, and that doesn't mean that said content is disliked by the majority of the player base.

Honesty ? Nowhere to be found.

I am very honest. Are you? Lets find out.

I actually dont know what majority likes or not. But the thing I know for sure is that there is a big part of POE playerbase that doesnt like the lab.
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Well that escalated quickly ...

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Jayserix wrote:

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miljan wrote:

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Jayserix wrote:

And Miljan, of course some players who dislike the lab aren't posting, but if you and Jennik weren't dishonest you would agree that there are more more topics about unliked content that appreciated one, and that doesn't mean that said content is disliked by the majority of the player base.

Honesty ? Nowhere to be found.

I am very honest. Are you? Lets find out.

I actually dont know what majority likes or not. But the thing I know for sure is that there is a big part of POE playerbase that doesnt like the lab.
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Well that escalated quickly ... Let's ignore it, shall we ?

About the rest of your message, indeed you'll find some people defending the lab, but you'll also find people telling you guys that you can't say things like :

"I know for a fact a BIG part of PoE playerbase does this or thinks this" and you know why ? You haven't anything to back that up, and since GGG hasn't done any survey do they ?

And please Youtube and Reddit ? Tin_Foil has already adressed those "communities" since they have their own rules etc ...

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mark1030 wrote:

How about everybody who hates the lab boycott it in the next league? Then we count the number of unascended characters in relation to ascended ones to see what percentage of the players hate it so much as to not run it. Have to filter out mutiple characters on the same account and characters under like level 40 to get a fair representation of the boycotters though.

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miljan wrote:

All this forums from PoE and reedit are direct representation of what PoE community as a whole thinks, and that is how it is about any game out there.

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miljan wrote:

And we actually have thing to back it up. We have polls, forum thread, reddit polls, youtube, streamers. Literally everything on the internet where you can find feedback about the game, say that lab is a problem. And the reason why its the case is because, the feedback presented is in direct relation to the thoughts of the community. That is how it always worked for anything. We have actually data to push for those claims. While for thing like silent majority think different, there is literally no data about it.

Tin_Foil didnt adressed anything really, he even posted wrong things that reddit is negative about POE because he was insulted his troll post was downvoated. He even acknowledging he doesn't use poe reddit that much him self. All this forums from PoE and reedit are direct representation of what PoE community as a whole thinks, and that is how it is about any game out there.

If there is some problem, there will be increase of feedback and threads/comments about that problem.