When Chris says that lab haters are a minority, how right is he?

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ventiman wrote:

tinfoil jumps from probation to probation so noone really cares about his opinion at all

That's not why no one cares about his opinions. Being probated doesn't mean you're wrong. It doesn't even mean you necessarily broke the rules. It just means that at least one mod disliked what you said enough to temporarily kick you off the site.

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ventiman wrote:

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phrazz wrote:

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Sexcalibure wrote:

but since he's whiteknighting GGG on that topic, moderation is doing nothing at all

I see more people earn the name "tin_foil_hat"...

nah he got a point i got moderated more than once for attacking a "supporter" sample size 4 years
last one was amityxxx somthing showing off his mtx helm collection...called him a guillable freemium clown didnt take 5 min and post got moderated

tinfoil jumps from probation to probation so noone really cares about his opinion at all

Ive had one probation, literally one. I find it quite hilarious how youre sitting here saying im probated ever other day though.

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mouz wrote:

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miljan wrote:

The gated points behind the lab really needs to change in future. And I really hope that GGG will think about it, as they said. Its good that we got their attention. And that making part of the game more arcady/platform like is not what a big part of community likes. So the core part of the new mechanics needs really needs to be separated from the arcady part to fix this problem.

Gated behind 18 minutes playtime? That's not even hard? If your build is Support, or lacks DPS ask a friend.

First blind run takes on average around 30 minutes (actually looking at the leader boards, it seems the average time is more around 50 to 1h, but I guess I do it somewhat faster around 30 min most of time). Most people that compete on ladder and do this crap multiple times or to farm enchants will do it faster. So less bullshit about crappy characters. And the fact is not is it hard, but its fucking boring. If i want to play some casual platforming I would go play some other games not a arpg.

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mouz wrote:

The Helm Enchantmens aren't even that great mostly, there are no build enabling enchantments. Sure if you want to to polish your build to 100% sorry lad, go grind some lab.

There would be no end to complaints if it was like that, and they would probably be justified. The amount of rng is pretty ridiculous so gating extreme finetuning behind it was the right decision.

Anyway, ran a cruel lab today with a char that's fairly underpowered at that point, and Izaro fights were pretty damn good. As we all know, killing essences with a melee is kinda tricky as Izaro tends to charge or leap at you and absorb them, so he was high like a pro wrestler for the remaining two fights. And the second one were fonts, having those too in the last one was out of the question so I had to try and get rid of them or just give up.

It was certainly hairy but possible, and that's one more thing that's good about this fight, if you give up you have to restart the whole thing so it forces you to evaluate your chances rather carefully. Anyway, when all three fights were done it really felt like I earned those points fair and square, nobody just handed them out and that's what counts for a lot in my book, the sense of accomplishment.

There may be all kinds of things that are wrong with Labyrinth, but it does a few really good.

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miljan wrote:

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mouz wrote:

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miljan wrote:

The gated points behind the lab really needs to change in future. And I really hope that GGG will think about it, as they said. Its good that we got their attention. And that making part of the game more arcady/platform like is not what a big part of community likes. So the core part of the new mechanics needs really needs to be separated from the arcady part to fix this problem.

Gated behind 18 minutes playtime? That's not even hard? If your build is Support, or lacks DPS ask a friend.

First blind run takes on average around 30 minutes (actually looking at the leader boards, it seems the average time is more around 50 to 1h, but I guess I do it somewhat faster around 30 min most of time). Most people that compete on ladder and do this crap multiple times or to farm enchants will do it faster. So less bullshit about crappy characters. And the fact is not is it hard, but its fucking boring. If i want to play some casual platforming I would go play some other games not a arpg.

If you hate it or find it that tedious why do you do it underleveled? There are some nice Ascendancy perks, but if you are lvl 30-68, DO you really need them to level? Why not just do the trials and come back when you are lvl 68? And just rush through them? Of course first time labs gonna take longer, but we're not there anymore, everyone complaining this loud hopefully has done lab by now.

The lab is a bigger joke than PvP. Does GGG ever admit things, or just double down on mistakes then blame it on the player engagement?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpQufSMg3vY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH2hpP5R8L8&feature=youtu.be

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Jayserix wrote:

And for the rest I could say :

- "Hey ! Let me ask some white supremacists from the USA what they think about jews, africans, europeans and asians residing in their country.

Ok with these results I'll tell everyone that it IS the opinion of the average USA citizen ..."

This is basically what you guys are doing with your polls

I'm not sure if I can think of a worse analogy than this. Asking people on a POE forum what they think about one aspect of POE is not remotely the same as assuming the opinions of a subset of people in one group will be representative of everyone who is not in their group. That's ignoring the fact that you know going into it that those opinions won't be remotely representative of other people's.

It's reasonable to assume that asking people who play POE about POE will provide you with a reasonable understanding of what POE players think about POE. It's not reasonable to assume that asking racists about the races they hate will tell you what everyone who's not a racist thinks about those races.

No, because like I said before, players who enjoy the game aren't coming here and create topics about how great the game is, and how they liked their last session of PoE ... So yes, forums users are a SPECIFIC subset of the poe player base, mostly trolls, feeders, savages, white knights and their mandatory nemesis black knights, and some gentlemen too.

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phrazz wrote:

Facts:

- LAB Haters hate because THEY personally finds the LAB boring
- Forum straw polls are useless (at best)
- No one (not even GGG) knows how many people LIKES the lab
- The LAB is here to stay
- Suppression techniques are really transparent, and makes you look like an idiot
- The LAB is the most rewarding thing in PoE

So, keep on discussing.

This should be slapped in every single post, at least this way these guys will acknowledge it :|

SIMPLE : Make in-game poll/voting. pop-up like window with 1-10 on login screen or as soon as u enter town. I would love to see this, cause it would show real minority/ majority. We all know what would happen...

Trick question: What makes more noise? A happy baby or an unhappy one?

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Chaslaw88 wrote:

SIMPLE : Make in-game poll/voting. pop-up like window with 1-10 on login screen or as soon as u enter town. I would love to see this, cause it would show real minority/ majority. We all know what would happen...

Yep... haters would waste a few hours making up fake accounts to skew the data.